-- Edited by Tir Airgid on Wednesday 26th of September 2012 01:24:21 PM
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“Fear is a strange soil. It grows obedience like corn, which grow in straight lines to make weeding easier. But sometimes it grows the potatoes of defiance, which flourish underground.”
He does get around in what one may a refer to as a optimum location. He listens to the secrets shared by nobles and what may be repeated to him via Shireen. Just like Moonboy ( who just may have fucked Cersei for all we know ), his positioning may include spy (?). Maybe he 's just a Fool for love.
Seriously , all we know is that Davos brought him to Shipbreakers Bay as a present for Shireen to make her smile ( definitely not an appropriate gift for Stannis ). Where he came from and what he knows could be very valuable knowledge. Too bad Varys and Illyrio doesn't play a part in manipulating him.
I love to make fun of the whole mystery surrounding Patchface, but I think he might be there just for comedic/creepiness value and nothing else. Though Melisandre seeing him in the fires surely points to something significant. My only fear (and theory) is that Patchface will kill someone. Melisandre sees him with blood dripping from his lips. Even If he isn't the one to murder someone, this points to something....an act of cannibalism? Anywho, it would have to be something fairly twisted. My only hope is that the victim is not Shireen, because that would be just cruel and and and...just like something GRRM would write.
Some see the bat-shit crazyfolk as touched by the Divine and they speak with God's voice (through the filter of someone who has been drowned and likes to wear tights and dance in Patchface's case).
What he says is important. But fucked if I know why or how.
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As soon as those cameras are off I am going to fuck that little dog.
I think there's a strong possibility for Patchface to be in some way connected to the forthcoming events surrounding the "dead things in the water" Cotter Pyke warned Jon about. Usually when Patchface uses "under the sea", it stands as a metaphor for death. It definitely seems like Patchface has gained some ability after his "resurrection" that Damphair, for example, has not. I think one of the most interesting theories I've read regarding Patchface is one that speculated that the Wall was built from frozen sea water. So, if the Wall is brought down at some point (through a form of magic, of course), and a major flooding ensues, the "under the sea" references will carry even more weight.
I will lead it! We will march into the sea and out again. Under the waves we will ride seahorses, and mermaids will blow seashells to announce our coming, oh, oh, oh.
And it does look like GRRM is setting the stage for a Cthulhu moment.
-- Edited by Macha on Thursday 27th of September 2012 05:16:31 AM
If I´d say something about Patchface I will look like a troll. So, must refrain.
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There are several which seem to have some value, indeed.
“Under the sea, the birds have scales for feathers. " This has to be a dragon reference, but it's too vague. "In the dark the dead are dancing." - A reference to wights, most likely. The shadows come to dance, my lord, dance my lord, dance my lord," (...) "The shadows come to stay, my lord, stay my lord, stay my lord." - Mel's offsprings.
And the well-known "Fool's blood, king's blood, blood on the maiden's thigh, but chains for the guests and chains for the bridegroom, aye aye aye", which is pretty straightforward.
PAtchface makes my skin crawl. He has since the very first oh oh oh. That being said most people think that there is foreshadowing in his nonsense. I can not make a clear hypothesis due to my bias. oh oh oh
Other that calling out GRRM for blantent plot tools. Do you think that there could be foreshadowing in his ramblings?
Nop. just obvious things and I suck at speculation.
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This character represents for me one of those resources GRRm has that bores me and find dishonest. Nobody wants to make a completely stupid character, but he does that without shame...just plays with the fantasy that there is truth beneath the discourse of fools. For me, it´s a very very cheap resource.
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fool's blood, king's blood, blood on the maiden's thigh, but chains for the guests and chains for the bridegroom, aye aye aye Didn't see anything there?
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I missed everything about Patchface on a first read because I couldn't stand the character, and read every paragraph that he was in very quickly. It took a second re-read to look at what he's saying in a different light. But unless GRRM has him play a major part (like the unexpected death of a character) I'll have to agree with andrea. We didn't need him only to foreshadow other storylines in the books. Of course, with Patchface being the true prophet of the Drowned God, he'll just wake Cthulhu and kill EVERYONE.
I think Patchface might well be the one true "prophet" of R'hllor. The real "drowned and brought back to life" miraculously. He might have a part to play. A sinister one at that for sure, after Mel seeing him in the fires and all. I hope not, though. Cause I find the character very grating.
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“Fear is a strange soil. It grows obedience like corn, which grow in straight lines to make weeding easier. But sometimes it grows the potatoes of defiance, which flourish underground.”
I think Patchface might well be the one true "prophet" of R'hllor.
Of R'hllor? Giiiiirl, please.
Well he definitely tops Damphair, if that's what you meant. But I guess we'll know if he's important to the storyline when and if he's introduced in the show. He wasn't announced for S3 tho, and why should he be kept secret when all the other Dragonstone characters were officially confirmed? And if not in S3, when could they cast him? He can't show up at the Wall just like that. Unless...they pick him up along the way to Eastwatch? They could move his drowning episode so that it happens not at Storm's End, but on the way to the Wall, and one of Stannis' ships rescues him from the water? Is this crackpot?
hahahah! I meant the drowned God! It was very late macha, i was barely having any brain activity at all.
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“Fear is a strange soil. It grows obedience like corn, which grow in straight lines to make weeding easier. But sometimes it grows the potatoes of defiance, which flourish underground.”
“Fear is a strange soil. It grows obedience like corn, which grow in straight lines to make weeding easier. But sometimes it grows the potatoes of defiance, which flourish underground.”
I don't see why it can't. American producers for an American network more can't more than one decent American actor? How about one full size American actor?
The production is based in the UK (I expect it was a decision that took costs into consideration, but also the landmarks and sets they could use) and it's simply easier and cheaper for them to hire actors from inside the EU. I don't know all the details concerning union regulations etc, but this has been explained time and again over at WiC. With important parts, like Tyrion and Drogon in S1, they made it happen, but otherwise hiring more American actors is simply more difficult for them. It has nothing to do with skill or prejudice.
Back on topic, I agree with Cary. While I hope they'll have Jinglebell on the show, I'd rather have Tom Brooke as Patchface. Though this may be one of those characters that doesn't translate well to the screen and would be changed quite a lot, if cast.
ok, Eddie Marsan could o the trick for me. Splendid actor.
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What is that quote? "it seems to me la is much more than just a note to follow so" is it something patchface said? I see it everywhere but I dont remember reading it. Also what do you think it means
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What is that quote? "it seems to me la is much more than just a note to follow so" is it something patchface said? I see it everywhere but I dont remember reading it. Also what do you think it means
Welcome StarkLover! Great to see a new face.
I think Ry's quote it's something related to The Sound of Music, when Julie Andrews is teaching them all the notes, gives them all a certain thing to remember their names by but poor note la (don't know the name of this musical note in the Anglo saxon system... hmm.. maybe A? You can ask Rygar about that) only gets described as "a note to follow sol" which is the previous note. So poor la got a hard deal. Nothing to do with patchface, though.
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“Fear is a strange soil. It grows obedience like corn, which grow in straight lines to make weeding easier. But sometimes it grows the potatoes of defiance, which flourish underground.”
I think there's a strong possibility for Patchface to be in some way connected to the forthcoming events surrounding the "dead things in the water" Cotter Pyke warned Jon about. Usually when Patchface uses "under the sea", it stands as a metaphor for death. It definitely seems like Patchface has gained some ability after his "resurrection" that Damphair, for example, has not. I think one of the most interesting theories I've read regarding Patchface is one that speculated that the Wall was built from frozen sea water. So, if the Wall is brought down at some point (through a form of magic, of course), and a major flooding ensues, the "under the sea" references will carry even more weight.
I will lead it! We will march into the sea and out again. Under the waves we will ride seahorses, and mermaids will blow seashells to announce our coming, oh, oh, oh.
And it does look like GRRM is setting the stage for a Cthulhu moment.
-- Edited by Macha on Thursday 27th of September 2012 05:16:31 AM
This is bloody creepy. I hope it's true, it would be awesome. Almost like some sort of second doom of Vyleria
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I love Macha's proposed theory. I thought myself that Patchface is connected with Mel's vision of gigantic water waves swallowing up a castle with huge towers. I could only think of the Wall melting to account for those waves. Patchface is also always talking about merlins and underwater things. (That's if he's not really the Little Mermaid transformed by Ursula in his current form.)
just 
For me, it´s a very very cheap resource. 
OMG Yes, I can totally see it! Perfect patchface.
