I also liked the Borgias, season 2 was a lot better though. I was quite impressed with how they managed to bring back all the actors with smaller roles for season 2. One thing I don't like is how the show is historically accurate, but it skips rope with the timeline and order of events.
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I'm not really a fan of the Borgias, but I'll keep on watching it as long as it airs. There are a few issues that I have with the show. It pains me to say this because Jeremy Irons is one of my favorite actors, but his acting in the Borgias is horrible for me. It's just like every cunning, slightly evil character he's ever played, and you see this for hours and hours. He shines in some scenes, but very few. Rodrigo is a badass character, but he's too much of a badass. This brings me to the second thing I dislike about it. Without spoiling too much for Cary, there are no real opponents for them. I never once feared for a (major) character or thought "oh no, he's screwed up for good now." Everything seemed too easy. And the characters....R'hllor. I dislike them all, and the actor that plays Cesare (Arnaud something) is a no-no.
But, as Cary said, the actor playing the French king is awesome. See, this is actually the show's strongest point for me - their secondary actors are very good. And actresses (I'm looking at you, Caterina Sforza)! Also, what they do very good is the VFX. The buildings, the armies! They have a much smaller budget than GoT but you'll see many battle scenes in The Borgias, they're very well done. I can still remember the scene with that two cannonballs tied with a chain, I don't know the name for it....was that n S1, Cary? It was gruesome. Very good stunts, too.
Ah that scene with the cannons in season2!!!! Amazing! I actually liked Cesare very much in this one. Cardinal Savanorolla is also very good. Macha I'm suprised to hear you say that specially in light of season 2's ending.
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Which is the opposite of the other show, which we watched a few months ago, Borgia:Fear and Faith, which featured John Doman from The Wire as Cardinal Borgia/Pope Alexander. He was the only person in that one with any acting skills.
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Just saw Episode 1 of Season 2 last night. Was there a massive drop off in writing quality? WTF did this stupid transgender painter's apprentice come from? What an awful plot device.
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Yeah Cary I´m sorry. There was a drop. I don´t watch it anymore. Jeremy Iron´s acting sucks. Weird things happens on tv. I like Césare tho and the murderous murderer buddy of his.
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"I´d not prolongued the chewing up, Doc. Nor the being spat out. Not go out a cunt. It´s the dispatch I find inglorious. The whole delusory fucking self importance.". Al Swedgin ;).
Love the French King, love Micheleto, the assassin buddy.
Micheleto sounds like a painful shoe
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This is better than the show. When Cesare kills a certain someone in a kitchen tell me Cary, so I could have my rant here. Because it was effin stupid.
Because there are moments of sheer awesomeness mixed in with the awfulness. For instance, every thing Micheletto does.
I'm just wondering though, about the "situational set ups" aspect of making history ridiculous. For instance, I now would not at all be surprised if one episode would find one of the characters having a drug or alcohol problem and then recovering by the end. Yes, it's getting that silly.
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What was her purpose there anyway? Just so that Rodrigo and Giulia could have a threesome? Because that part with the canons could have been filled by anyone with half a brain.
Okay, all done with Season 2. Big surprise, Rodrigo gets poisoned and seems like he's all about to die and then they stop.
I know they've been playing loose and fast with history, but I have a good prediction he'll recover.
On the other, European "Borgia" show, Savonarola has been cast... for Season 2, and guess who is playing him? "Game of Thrones actor Iain Glen" You heard it here first.
I won't be able to watch without saying "KHALEEESI"
"Borgias" already has a GoT crossover. Jon Bradley plays Cardinal Giovanni de Medici. Who becomes Martin Luther's early nemisis, Pope Leo X. I have a feeling he still doesn't know where to put it.
-- Edited by Cary Storm on Monday 26th of November 2012 01:51:01 AM
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I dunno Cary, Rodrigo did die from poisoning and there were rumours that it was Cesare who was with him at the time. Off course this happened only after Cesare had been papal legate for quite some time. The acting of the Borgia family in Assasin's Creed 2 and Brotherhood actually trumps the Borgias.
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Whoa, wait, now I have to watch the other adaptation as well?? Feckity feck feck. The things I do for . Neah, I really don't think they'll let go of Jeremy Irons in S3. Cesare can't carry this show alone, plus I doubt they're brave (or original) enough to kill the show's strongest star right at the beginning of a new season. Also, they'll want to play with those rumors Aegon mentioned, so expect a falling out between Rodrigo and Cesare before the former dies. At least that's the way I'd go about doing it.
Well historically Rodrigo did linger at death's door for a few weeks or so. Is it too much to ask for a show that is historically accurate?: Rome did this quite well, mixing history with a personal story. Pity bout the pacing of season 2 though.
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RRodrigo was around for 5 more years after the death of Sanavarola and Juan. Lot's more is supposed to take place. Also Cesare suffered horribly physically for the same illness which befell the pope; I doubt they'd rewrite that. No, I'm sure this poisoning is some random event either non historical or too minor to be in many biographical record.
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Assassins Creed Brotherhood handled this one quite well. Rodrigo tries to poison the power hungry Cesare with a batch of Cantarella treated apples. Lucrezia warns Cesare who spits out the apple, having swalloed only a little. He then forces the apple down Rodrigo's throat poisoning him. The Assassins uses the time given by Cesare's ailing health to uproot much of his influence and works.
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Yes, but that's a separate event! It happens in 1502, not 1497 like it is now. This is some completely created poisoning that he will probably survive, probably to throw us history geeks.
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There's some war campaigns to happen, the new King o France (Louis XII) is important and they're probably going to recast Gioffredo (as a man grown) because he takes a stronger role about now. And this all happens while Rodrigo Borgia is still alive. So I'm pretty sure this isn't *that* poisoning.
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They're outdoor and battle scenes are pretty amazing. Great stunts too. The show has stunning visuals, the only problem is the script (and sometimes the acting). Oooh I'd love to see what they do with Louis XII!
Macha, you'll recognize Rodrigo in EuroBorgia as Chief Rawls from the Wire, John Donan. He's actually a bright ray of acting amidst some pretty laughable performances (Lucrezia makes me giggle just thinking ability her), and considerably better than Jeremy Irons. You just have to get past his American accent.
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II just reread this thread. I was KIDDING when I predicted a drug or alcohol problem. It would have been so ludicrous. Which is why I totally forgot I said something when Juan gets hooked on opium.
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Oh? Really? Rawls should be good. How many seasons so far? I'll have to watch it. Juan was over the top, always. Both the script and the actor were at fault. His actions made no sense whatsoever. Yes, he's impulsive and a dick, we get it. But seriously? Show some nuances, give him something to work with. Ugh, terrible character.
Oh? Really? Rawls should be good. How many seasons so far? I'll have to watch it. Juan was over the top, always. Both the script and the actor were at fault. His actions made no sense whatsoever. Yes, he's impulsive and a dick, we get it. But seriously? Show some nuances, give him something to work with. Ugh, terrible character.
Just one season so far. It was available for free on Netflix, which was nice.
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Yes yes yes, Rawls is a good Rodrigo, a bit rough but good. The others though...
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Can't get over how bad the girl is... Even in the small bits picked for the trailer... which surely are the best they could find.
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fuck euroborgia. no francois arnaud no borgia for me.
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This is better than the show. 
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