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Writer: Bryan Cogman
Director: Michelle MacLaren

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Give us your thoughts and opinions of this episode, no book spoilers for a more detailed book to screen discussion of season four go here.

 



-- Edited by Macha on Saturday 26th of April 2014 03:25:23 AM

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This thread is now open! (aka don't spoil me in chat!)

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  Wish Jaime had kissed Brienne good bye, but guess that would have been asking too much.  O.K. episode, my least fav so far.



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This episode wan't all that bad. Better than last week's but weaker than the first two. I thought the scene with Margaery and Tommen was just awful. He did fine, but she was cringeworthy. I guess she was trying to be seductive and conspiratorial, and it didn't work. Tommen was darling, and his kitty is awesome! Ser Pounce!

I didn't expect the entire plot to kill Joffrey to be laid out in a neat little package for us. It was awfully Bond Villainish of Little Finger to explain everything to Sansa. He's far too smart to share such information with anyone, so I liked it and didn't like it at the same time. What I loved was Sansa! She's finally found her voice and shown that she's not the stupid little dove everyone presumed her to be. She's finally in a situation where she's not afraid to say what she thinks, and I'm loving it.

I didn't think Little Finger and Lysa Arryn were actually betrothed. How in the world did he manage that? I wondered about this before, and assumed that she had some measure of autonomy after her husband's death. I can't imagine why she would agree to marry a nothing lordling like Little Finger. I thought he was going to the Aerie to woo her, not to wed her.

Oh Cersei. I used to really enjoy her character, but she is just ridiculous at this point. Everything is crumbling around her, and she continually makes decisions that make everything worse rather than better.

The look on Jaime's face when Brienne named that sword and when she rode off...I have no words. Two incredible moments. I'm glad that Brienne and Pod are beyond Cersei's reach, but the two of them riding off into the countryside didn't make much sense to me. How is that going to help Brienne find Sansa, when Sansa was last seen in King's Landing?

The horse at the end bothered me. A case of the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing. First its face has skin, including ears. Then it's a skull with some connective tissue and no ears. Then we're back to skin and ears. I had wondered exactly what the White Walkers were doing with those baby boys. It looks like there's a lot more to this story than expected. At first, I thought the White Walker was heading to that big tree that Bran saw in his dream, and I'm was relieved that it wasn't. Pretty cool stuff. I'm glad that they're answering some questions and building the mythology a bit.

I don't care about Bran. And I don't care about Dany. Ugh. And Ghost...I'm pretty certain he was following Sam and Gilly. IT doesn't make sense for him to be penned up at Craster's Keep now. And how did they catch him without half of them getting their throats torn out? I call bullshit. So how about if Uncle Benjen comes to the rescue and joins Bran and the kids on their journey north? I don't think it'll happen, but it would be a lot cooler than Jon showing up to save the day.

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not as good as last week's near masterpiece but  I really enjoyed Brian Cs first episode. it seems that he really is attempting to depart from the books as much as possible and yeah he's doing it in a very successful way.I really enjoyed his added scenes.the review of the murder plot was somewhat of a surprise, it's nice to know that most of our speculations were correct as to who had done it. I just didn't expect them to come right out in say it and like snow says above I'm not sure why little finger woukd reveal it all to Sansa.   I'm a sure the fanboys are gonna swoon over Burn Gorman but I felt he was too over the top, and I found the whole Bran meets Mutineers to be boring but I guess they have to add more drama by having Locke stumble upon them.  I also didn't understand why Ghost was locked up.  If Bran and co were close enough to hear the baby, why didn't Summer smell Ghost?   

I felt the last scene was well done and I like how we get to see what happens to Crasters babies. 




 



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Yep, I call shinanigans on Ghost. I about knocked my jonsnow off the couch going, "what, what, Ghost in a cage, wtf?". So, not loving that or Summer in a trap for that matter. Direwolves, especially those related like these are, are aware of each other, feel each other, feel their thoughts/locations. Ghost would have "willed" him not to go that route. On the other hand, loved the Jaime/Brienne stuff, just thrown him/her on the ground and kiss the crap out of each other for the love of Sam Tarly freakout

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I loved every single fucking frame of this episode.
Cogman and D&D gave us the Land of Always Winter before Martin did, I think I am going to cry. OF HAPPINESS!

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And how did they catch him without half of them getting their throats torn out? I call bullshit.

 I think it had to be the same way they caught Summer, with a hole in the ground. Makes sense they would have some defeces by now, since they know they are wanted men, not to mention other dangers like wights.



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"What was that?"

"That was me knocking your ass to the ground with your own hand."

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Macha wrote:
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And how did they catch him without half of them getting their throats torn out? I call bullshit.

 I think it had to be the same way they caught Summer, with a hole in the ground. Makes sense they would have some defeces by now, since they know they are wanted men, not to mention other dangers like wights.

Fair enough. But how do you get a pissed off direwolf out of a hole in the ground without getting mauled?  If you just want to kill it, that's no problem.  But if you want it alive, that's altogether another matter.  It strikes me as an awful lot of trouble to go to...for what?  It's not like they're starting the Craster Zoo and Botanical Gardens up there.



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teehee I'm with Lady Black. Greywind (at least in the book) was tied up because Robb tied him up.  And he took out 4 Freys before he died and tore another one's ear off. There is no way anyone but Jon and maybe and that's a big maybe, Sam, could get Ghost in a cage. Doesn't pass the smell test.



-- Edited by Lyanna Stark on Monday 28th of April 2014 03:42:13 PM

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They took them down with a tranquilizer gun.

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Holy shit, now I know what it is like to be unsullied!

Loved the episode, moved with confidence and so many cool scenes. I can ONLY hope what D&D are setting up next will be way off book, but would be SO awesome if it works.

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Oh and I went nuts when I saw

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teehee I'm with Lady Black. Greywind (at least in the book) was tied up because Robb tied him up.  And he took out 4 Freys before he died and tore another one's ear off. There is no way anyone but Jon and maybe and that's a big maybe, Sam, could get Ghost in a cage. Doesn't pass the smell test.



-- Edited by Lyanna Stark on Monday 28th of April 2014 03:42:13 PM

 I think it stinks to high heaven teehee I laughed out loud when I saw Rast falling on his ass when Ghost, which was caged, snarled at him. I'll venture Rast was not part of the party that took Ghost captive!



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TV Direwolves are total wimps. Nymeria is gonna show up and bet, BITCHES, WTF is wrong with the rest of you!!!!

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Am I the only one enjoying Michelle McLaren's direction? I grew to love her excellent work on Breaking Bad and her talent shows. If you pay attention at her transitions they are fluid and dynamic in some instances, and subtle/elegant in others.
In last seasons Blu-ray commentary she showed dismay when her scenes got reshuffled in some episodes, messing up her transitions and I agree she puts a lot of work into them.

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DonalNoyesArm wrote:

Am I the only one enjoying Michelle McLaren's direction? I grew to love her excellent work on Breaking Bad and her talent shows. If you pay attention at her transitions they are fluid and dynamic in some instances, and subtle/elegant in others.
In last seasons Blu-ray commentary she showed dismay when her scenes got reshuffled in some episodes, messing up her transitions and I agree she puts a lot of work into them.

 No, Don, I love her too. Big big fan. And the combo with Cogman was gold.

 

Overall, I loved last episode. Except for that Rast scene, "I'm the evilest man that ever lived, look I even drink from the skull of my enemies, bwahahaha" ffs. Aside from the Craster bits, which is the only thing that puts it below the first episode in my orden of preference, I really loved it.

Looming Locke was a-ma-zing. The man's fantastic. And did you guys notice how the music changes when he's the one to volunteer to go with Jon? Brilliant.

First time in ages that Dany's scenes don't annoy me, and I really like they're fleshing out Grey Worm and Missandei a little. And I'm no Targ fan but that visual of their banner over the harpy was blood chilling.  Talking about blood chilling, the finale! I was completely in awe. Feels good to be unsullied! :)

Very happy to finally have confirmation on how the PW went down and loved the creepiness of Marg/Tommen interaction (plus, SER POUNCE'S IN DA HOUSE!) as well as LF/Sansa, and hear her finally answering back a bit, questioning him. That was great.

But the cake's obviously for JAIME. All his scenes, but particularly w/Tyrion and BRIENNE.

Now, look away you twats and let me fangirl ok?

I was so scared they'll fuck up the scenes, but they didn't and it was so beautiful my poor little shipping heart was bursting with tears. It was absolutely beautiful.When she was riding off, I kept mumbling in my head "look back, look back at me!" (N&S reference). Had to rewind it and watch it several times. Yes, I'm that crazy for them.

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-- Edited by Tir Airgid on Tuesday 29th of April 2014 04:36:34 AM

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Tir Airgid wrote:
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  It was absolutely beautiful.When she was riding off, I kept mumbling in my head "look back, look back at me!" (N&S reference).

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 Absolutely thought the same thing Tir highfive

 

 

 




 

 



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Cary Storm wrote:

TV Direwolves are total wimps. Nymeria is gonna show up and bet, BITCHES, WTF is wrong with the rest of you!!!!

 I bloody well hope so ! Pissing me off ... they are ruining my favorite characters ! Yes the wolves are my favorite ,wanna fight 'bout it? teehee



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I love ya, SisY huggs To me it's not just dumbing down the Direwolves, it's the Starks altogether. Making Robb a whimp, simpering servant to Frey, his mother sobbing at every instance, ugh. Until this year, Jon Snow's scripts have been ad nauseam. No, I'm not a book purist, but I can see that the worm has turned and this is D&D's HBO series and GRMM's ASOIAF is something else.

Tir, I reblogged that, I love that gif/meme, whatever it is, I adore it huggs I was yelling, "just throw on the ground and kiss him, or kiss her, jeez, bust a move for crying out loud" teehee



-- Edited by Lyanna Stark on Tuesday 29th of April 2014 09:35:03 AM

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Looming Locke was a-ma-zing. The man's fantastic. And did you guys notice how the music changes when he's the one to volunteer to go with Jon? Brilliant.

 

-- Edited by Tir Airgid on Tuesday 29th of April 2014 04:36:34 AM

 It totally matched! I thought Littlefinger will be the best creepy, murderous, double crossing bastard I'd like, but this guy... well, let's just say they did NOT quite break the mold after making Petyr!

I wonder if Ghost will smell him out when Jon finally reunites with him at Carster's. If there's justice in Westeros, they'll have the direwolf snarl at the Bolton man something fierce. Jon, being Jon, will completely trust a Night's Watch brother no doubt! I hate when he does that. I made a whole story, didn't I teehee



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Uhm, I assumed the direwolf was put in the cage by Sam there before all that mayhem started last season.

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Japie, that would mean we haven't seen Ghost in a very long while! Have to check that.

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Uhm, I assumed the direwolf was put in the cage by Sam there before all that mayhem started last season.

 I did not think of that! I can't remember when we saw him last, did he join Sam and Mormont on their way back from the Fist?



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Japie, that would mean we haven't seen Ghost in a very long while! Have to check that.

 We haven't seen Ghost in a very long while.  Since the men were alive at Craster's Keep. 



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Tir Airgid wrote:

Now, look away you twats and let me fangirl ok?

I was so scared they'll fuck up the scenes, but they didn't and it was so beautiful my poor little shipping heart was bursting with tears. It was absolutely beautiful.When she was riding off, I kept mumbling in my head "look back, look back at me!" (N&S reference). Had to rewind it and watch it several times. Yes, I'm that crazy for them.

 It was beautiful. yippie The only thing I feared is that they'd slip some of Jaime's stupid jokes in there, because I really wasn't in the mood for that. I was so happy they kept it honest and simple, and I cracked up at Pod's silly face and my heart jumped in my throat when I saw Jaime quickly walk towards them as they went away.

 

And yes, I loved MM's transitions this episode, I noticed a few of them and though hey, this is really clever. Huge improvement over The Bear and The Maiden Fair last season.

Imma do a rewatch actually, because it was finger-licking good.

 



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I watched it again last night. It was a great episode and had impeccable directing. I love how Sansa isnt so easily duped. Time spent w her hubby was well worth it.

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"In light of the extreme conditions, one brazen convention-goer asked Nairn if he dealt with any "shrinkage problems" during his Weirwood full-frontal scene. Nairn indicated multiple times throughout the panel that this topic of discussion was pretty frequent for him, but indulged the audience with tales about applying the 15-inch prosthetic member.

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One day Nairn will write an epic book "Keep on Hodoring".

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Uhm, I assumed the direwolf was put in the cage by Sam there before all that mayhem started last season.

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Bwahahaha!

I laughed so hard at Locke's 6 finger bit, because I actually paused the episode twice to look at his hand, thinking "wait, this looks weird for some reason...oh nevermind".



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Ghost never went to Crasters. He stays in the woods.

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@yvy & macha, had to share this one! :D

  

  

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Bwahaah, Tir, that's lovely! Where is this "conceal don't feel" coming from? I keep seeing it around and it's hilarious.

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Macha, It's from the last Disney movie "Frozen".
I am amazed you missed it cuz it has been freakin' everywhere!



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Riiight. Must be because I try to stay away from Disney.

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Do you wanna build a snow man ?









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