Oy, Littlefinger wants his interesting back! Aidan cannot do miracles all by his lonesome, eh?! That whole Vale accidentally crosses Brienne while LF and Sansa are off to far, far away land umm, I better shut up!
I loved the Wall. I seriously think Jon Snow might actually know something. Mance/ Jon/ Sannis whoaaaaa! Everything was good. I think Mel's fire was just as torturous as the flaying that Mance probably got at the hands of the Boltons. Probably for the best if no fArya to save.
And by the way my fave fantasy OTP is still standing over the years:
I see sparks, I see pyre, I see Mel Jon on fire!
I think the Meereen storyline is getting revamped but it doesn't look contrived so that's good. Honestly, I absolutely loved the non-cartoonish Daario who finally got a backstory I mean seriously, if he dies in the books the only one who'll be upset will be Dany. Me, not so much. Here, I have a feeling that I'll be missing a bit more than (which by the way, it was quite gratuitously awesome )
The fact that they gave Tyrion a partner in Varys is a good thing if they cut the Connington and fAegon. I think the script was always good with the Spider and the Imp and frankly those two actors are a pleasure to see acting off each other. Pentos was a good set up for Dany meet.
Can't remember anything else. The ep was slow but not slow bad. They needed closure to Tywin and they did that, and they also needed set up for all the other characters moving out of KL. The thinnest and worse is the Vale/ Brienne so far. Will see what's cooking there with the Winterfell in sight.
EDIT: forgot the KL! Jeez, I'm getting too old for this... Hello there cousin Lancel and there: Tywin is dead because everyone in this family, but me - said Cersei. I fear for Myrcella and Tommen. The show will kill them quick, no doubt. Darkstar is not there show incompetence and cut only a ear so who knows?! Will we sing "another Lannister bites the dust" I wonder...
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they pretty much took a dump on AFFC and went with the important stuff. Congrats to D&D on that one.
Amazing, they basically dumped that whole book to the side after one episode, jeez, amazing. And to think GRRM wanted two seasons based on that book...bwahaha...giant middle finger!
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"Gold will be their crowns and gold will be their shrouds..." This is not the "you will outlive all of your children" prediction like in the books. And "The Volunqar" isn't mentioned at all
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So has the Tv show killed off the real Mance? Mellisandre didn't look like she was glamoring anything. That would be good tho, don't remember Mance doing anything of importance at all after he got saved from the flames.
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The first episode looked very strong to me, we'll see how the season goes but I think everybody found their confidence in what they're doing and it shows.
The first scene with Maggie the Frog felt a bit cheap to me, dunno why, but the rest of KL was pretty good, and the North stuff was excellent. Love what they're doing in changing Brienne's stupid wandering from the books. This has much more irony for everyone involved, and adds much more meaning to her character. No idea what's gonna happen in Winterfell but I love their boldness for bringing these different characters there.
Now, as for the Wall, hmm hard to speculate. Mance and Jon were great together, and honestly I think it would make more sense for them to have that scene *if* Mance had been persuaded made a secret deal with Mel afterwards, but it works either way I suppose. I'm just sad to lose him so early on. The burning scene was sooo goood.
And, can't believe I' saying this, but Meereen doesn't suck.
I thought it was a very solid set up episode. I felt that much was in the books, and all the changes they made were smart, with the exception of Missandei and GW, for once that seemed to be filler with no purpose. "Do you go to brothels?" "Bitch I ain't got no dick, what do you think!". Sansa's change? Its good to see however its a bit sudden. I hope we get glimpses of her being naïve again instead of just a new major playa of da game. She's like Brother Mouzone all of a sudden. Showing up to Yohn Royce's place with NY plates and a bowtie.
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I also think they killed Mance. Deader than a doornail. Dead. I cannot imagine a glamour being employed in the show to be honest. They have moved away from that kind of magic element in spells and visions, since the Red Woman gave birth to the shadow baby. The leeches are a fake since Balon Greyjoy is not dead by leech no 3 and not likely to be in the near future, so for me as far as the show goes... Mel has kind of lost the power. Maybe Bran and the fireball shooters will bring it back in season 6
And may I say again how great I feel about Jon Snow shooting arrows! I really liked it.
Selyse looked like she enjoyed waaaay too much that burning. Stannis and Shireen were obviously disturbed. I like that kid. Seems smarter and more compassionate than half of the grown ups around Westeros. Talk about compassionate and the right name. Varys could back HER up any day. Davos as a hand, I could get behind Shireen the new ruler of Westeros. Mance also gave a nod of approval to Stannis I loved that.
EDIT: This seems to put the glamour thingy to rest, and Mance Rayder 3 feet under. Ciran received an death email announcement from Benioff and Weiss. Now... I'm sure Michelle Fairley got one too. She just can't talk about it
Aha! Here's the thread I wanted. IN THE BOOKS, Mance is pretty much not dead. I assume. Who knows? I am guessing Mance is dead for reals on the show, which demonstrates to me that he didn't have a very important role to play in the ASOIAF endgame. Unless Martin decides to play up his significance as a reaction to HBO's killing him off.
If you picked Mance to be King of Westeros or The King Beyond the Wall, thanks for playing.
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Was I the only one who was enjoying Robin getting the crap beat out of him in the sworn fighting scene?
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Rhaegar, despite wounding Robert, was struck down with a massive blow from Robert's warhammer, which scattered the rubies encrusted in Rhaegar's armor under the water. Rhaegar died with Lyanna Stark's name on his lips.
Aha! Here's the thread I wanted. IN THE BOOKS, Mance is pretty much not dead. I assume. Who knows? I am guessing Mance is dead for reals on the show, which demonstrates to me that he didn't have a very important role to play in the ASOIAF endgame. Unless Martin decides to play up his significance as a reaction to HBO's killing him off.
If you picked Mance to be King of Westeros or The King Beyond the Wall, thanks for playing.
I think it could be safe to assume that in the books, Ramsay did actually catch "Abel" and flayed him, which makes me wonder what was the whole point in having him in Winterfell in the first place? Just kill a bunch of nobodies?
Yeah, from the pink letter "In the Pooks!" i assumed he was Ded as Ned.
Robin is getting the beatings he shoulda got when he was younger, better late than never.
I think that even if you count last season, AFFC didn't made for a half of it, 'cause there were still parts of ASOS to adapt, and in Bran's case, they went all the way to the end of ADWD. So book 4 was hal a season and one episode
I'm thinking now that the death of Mance is D&D's way of saying "Fuck you" to Rome because of the garbage James Purefoy was spouting. I wonder if we'll ever see Edmure again, y'know?
I'm not very serious.
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Theon and fArya getting out of Winterfell without support would have been pretty unbelievable considering Theon's condition. Abel and the spearwives sent by Jon Snow at Mel's advice made sense. Mel on the other hand gained Jon's trust. Just not enough for him to listen to her about keeping Ghost close. I suppose if you really are looking at every character as how it is important to the ENDGAME you would get a draft outline. Hey, but maybe that's what Atreyu should have read!
Just finished the episode there. Thought it was good but nothing special. I'd rank it like 8/10
Pros
- "He swings a sword like a girl with palsy" = So offensive, yet so
- Jon's scenes with Stannis, Davos, Melisandre and Mance
- Tyrion and Varys trading barbs in Pentos
- Young Cersei, Maggy The Frog and The Prophecy
- Jaime and Cersei in the Sept
- Lancel as a Sparrow. I actually think that's quite a smart deviation from D & D
- Ser Kevan Lannister lives!!!!
- Charles Dance laying on a slab = better performance than Emilia Clarke
- Melisandre's speech before lighting the bonfire
- Sons of the Harpy
- Jon firing the arrow into Mance. I felt like that was true to the character IMO
Cons
- The Prophecy should of been used as a cold opening
- No Illyrio Mopatis. I just really wanted to see Roger Allam interact with Peter Dinklage
- Gay time with Ser Loras and Olivar, so unecessary and provactive
- Toppling the statue in Mereen. Felt like the show was saying "look at us and all the money we have to waste on CGI."
- Brienne and Pod. Didn't we already see Brienne saying this shit to Pod last season?
- Emilia Clarke. At this point I really can't stand her. She just rubs me the wrong way. I know it's harsh but I can't help it, her performance is just so bad. Plus the character is in her irritating stage.
That's all that I can recall at the moment. I'll watch the episode again in the morn.
Oh as for killing off Mance. Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Melisandre disguise him and send him off to Winterfell in ADWD? I am going to remain hopefull that still happens because if not, WHAT A FUCKING WASTE OF CIARAN HINDS!!!
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I wonder if the fact that they casted a young Maggy the Frog for Cersei's scene means they'll cast her again as the old witch from the books? They cut her from earlier but i dunno, maybe she could show up again?
Al, you not alone Our only difference is I didn´t like the books that much either.
While watching the scenes between Hinds and Dillane I couldn´t stop thinking "what a waste".
Of course I had no clue the show was starting. I just found the 4 episodes in my smelly place and thought "what´s going on?, is this starting again?"
It was a good beginning tho, I agree.
Also very much agree with Ry , the hell with that stupid stupid dialogue between Missandei and the can´t remember the name-no balls guy.
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Yes, I have this weird feeling that since Cersei won't have Margery cheating on Tommen she'll go after Loras being gay and out him to the religious nuts. It will still be a Tyrell/Lannister war just not the one in the books.
Someone remind me please, why were they attacking Dragonstone in the first place? Just to ge him out of KL and into harm's way?
Can't remember very well, but I think that the way it's hinted at in the books is that they threw molten oil on him, and that he's still alive but heavily mutilated, right?
I think they might achieve the same level of trauma (if that was important to the story or the character) by keeping him in KL, and sending the sparrows after him. I kinda hope he makes it out alive and in revenge-mode, because although his character is fun, they made him look a bit shallow overall and he could definitely use a change.
Loras asks Cersei if he can take the fleet to defend the Reach. She tells him he needs to take Dragonstone back first. Then she hears he's mutilated because of boiling oil. Whether that will turn out to be true is anyone's guess.
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Yes, I rather like the plots in KL and the Cersei downspiral. But this (the above) is why I have that weird feeling about Cersei/Loras. No Ironborn raiding the Reach, no Cersei trying to kill Loras by Dragonstone. Hence the show will have to come up with something else bad that will happen to him. This seems to me the way they'll go.
Yes, I think Cersei will still go after Margaery, but I think part of that...breaking her down...will be by going after Loras. I already had a feeling they were going to do that, but after the scene where Margaery walks in on him, I'm fairly certain. The Sparrows are going to rake Loras across the coals for being gay. There's already an overarching theme of the dangers of religious zealotry in the show and books.
Regarding the GW and Missandei scene, wasn't there something similar in the books after Stalwart Shield was killed?
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I dunno if Marge will end up imprisoned, because in the show she has not been premiscious. But still, I am looking forward to see how this all will spin out of control later in the season.
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I dunno if Marge will end up imprisoned, because in the show she has not been premiscious.
On the other hand, Cersei wasn't all that promiscuous either... but I suppose they can still go after her on account of the incest, and because Lancel could easily spill the beans about their affair and the boar hunt.
But with Margaery, it does look a bit difficult to build up a case against her with what we've seen so far. Loras is a much easier target tho.
I'll take Brienne's wandering around arc than the shit we saw in episode 2. That was fucking dreadful. I really don't like what D & D are doing with Sansa, it has disaster written all over it.
Brienne/Sansa fan fiction aside I thought it was another solid episode. Good but not great.
It's nice to see Ser Kevan Lannister as an actual character in the show with lines of dialogue. His dressing down of Cersei was gold.
Jaime going to Dorne is still stupid but at least we'll get more Bronn out of it.
Loved the scene where Barristan finally got to tell Dany just how sweet her father was
They rushed through the selection process too quickly though, that deserved at least a couple episodes to flesh out some of the scheming and politics.
Would of much rather they had Quaithe visit Dany on the balcony instead of Drogon.
Jaqen H'ghar replacing the Kindly Man is fine. He's a popular character among fans so I get it.
I swear though, if they marry Sansa off to Ramsay I will riot. That would be a gigantic clusterfuck of epic proportions.
I thought the whole Meereen stuff in this episode was best thing overall of the episode.
My book memory is fading, since it has been 4 years, I wonder if it is happening to others, its gonna be very strange to go back to "book reality" after being immersed in the Tv universe so much lately.
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Why did people like the NW election in the book? It was mostly Sam tricking people we'd never met before and didn't care about, and it dragged on and on even though it was incredibly obvious that Jon was going to win from the start. It definitely needed the condensing.
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Why did people like the NW election in the book? It was mostly Sam tricking people we'd never met before and didn't care about, and it dragged on and on even though it was incredibly obvious that Jon was going to win from the start. It definitely needed the condensing.
Winnah winnah lobsta dinnah!
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It totally needed condensing but it also needed to be set up properly, which it was not. You got a brief mention in Ep501 and then once again w Stannis and they vote. It was anti climatic, which may have been D&Ds point, still one would think it would have a huge significance. I did like.how Thorne showed Jon respect for leading. That seemed out of book charactet.
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I actually agree w Al. Brienne and Pod LF and Sansa have annoyed and perplexed me so far. I'm not saying I prefer Book Briennes shit, no fucking way. I just thing those arcs are going nowhere, and Sansa being a playa is so laughable. She just cant to pull it off.
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Jon on fire! 
I mean seriously, if he dies in the books the only one who'll be upset will be Dany. Me, not so much. Here, I have a feeling that I'll be missing a bit more than 
(which by the way, it was quite gratuitously awesome 
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and there: Tywin is dead because everyone in this family, but me - said Cersei. I fear for Myrcella and Tommen. The show will kill them quick, no doubt. Darkstar is not there show incompetence and cut only a ear so who knows?! Will we sing "another Lannister bites the dust" I wonder...
Our only difference is I didn´t like the books that much either. 
I kinda hope he makes it out alive and in revenge-mode, because although his character is fun, they made him look a bit shallow overall and he could definitely use a change. 
Winnah winnah lobsta dinnah! 