Dany delivering brutal justice, but Dany if you feed them human meat how will they EVER stop eating people?
Jon and TORMUND! Great scene, loved to see Tormund again.
Stannis: "Fewer." Bwahahha great callback to season 2, Stannis the grammar Nazi.
Oddly the Winterfell scenes did not work for me for the sole reason that Sansa was mopey and rolling her eyes the whole time. Maybe that makes sense tho, if she were cheery and happy around the Boltons they would know right away she was full of shit. Loved the kennel scene tho, very tense and only at the end I remembered that Theon slept there.
Aww Missandei and Grey worm, you go you crazy kids...you will probably still die soon tho.
GREAT scene in Valyria, very nice to finally see it on screen, and the stone men, very creepy. Loved the VERY LONG black screen after Tyrion went in the drink, very nice direction. But damn, does greyscale spread so fast? I guess it make sense since Stone Men are probably the most virulent state of the disease. But damn poor Jorah his days are numbered.
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A few grievances aside (Missandei and Grey Worm's romance seriously needs to fuck off) I thought that was a good episode. Really captured the spirit of ADWD IMO
Huge missed opportunity though, they never got Roose to say "don't make me rue the day I raped your mother."
BTW it's so obvious who Jon Snow is. "The only Targaryen left alone in the world" and suddenly Jon appears into the scene Just give us the scene already D & D, there really is no need to beat around TW's bush anymore.
This was a great episode. There was some Grey Worm and Missandei filler but otherwise I feel great about the episode. It was awesome to see Valyria and I am excited for next week's episode which is also written by Bryan Cogman.
BTW!!!! Anyone else get flashes of Aerys with the way Dany threatened and murdered that Master? It was a very cruel and evil manner in which she dispatched some kind of vengeance. Maybe I am letting my heart get the better of me but I saw some of the Mad King creeping out there.
Man, if Dany ends up being an evil tyrant like her father I will have the orgasm to end all orgasms. I am talking like that scene from Scary Movie.
I really liked how focused this episode was. It's rare we only get 4 story lines
I like how there are so many elements at play in the Wintefell storyline. Gonna be quite a conflagration when it all comes together. Roose really killed it in his scene with Ramsay, an effective dark mirror to the Stannis scene with Shireen. Sansa also had some good moments.
I also like that they gave a lot of weight to Jon's decisions. Always nice to see Maester Aemon. Most of the scenes up at the Wall were strong. The Sam-Stannis scene just seemed oddly inert though.
The Dany scene was brutal, but I liked it. I suppose it sends a message, though if she thinks they're going to compromise with her now she's mistaken. Daario's advice is good advice at this point. I found the Missendei-Grey Worm scene sweet, but then I've always liked them.
The ruins of Valyria were stunning, as was that beach at the end. Loved them reciting the poem, loved Drogon coming out of the mists, the Stone Men. Great sequence.
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Very strong episode. Well directed by Jeremy Podeswa. They need mire like this to salvage this season. Not much i didnt like, even GW and Missandei, honestly if they didnt include that scene id be like "wtf"?
Loved Jon and Tormund, loved Jorah and Tyrion, and a big old round of applause for all things Winterfell. Except Myrandas hip bones. Eat some carbs girl! Great ass still!
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BTW!!!! Anyone else get flashes of Aerys with the way Dany threatened and murdered that Master? It was a very cruel and evil manner in which she dispatched some kind of vengeance. Maybe I am letting my heart get the better of me but I saw some of the Mad King creeping out there.
Man, if Dany ends up being an evil tyrant like her father I will have the orgasm to end all orgasms. I am talking like that scene from Scary Movie.
I'm glad I'm not the only one! I was like, "did she just do what I thought she did?" Oh, Selmy would not approve. Don't give two about Greyworm or Miss Sandy. The Mad Queen.
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Rhaegar, despite wounding Robert, was struck down with a massive blow from Robert's warhammer, which scattered the rubies encrusted in Rhaegar's armor under the water. Rhaegar died with Lyanna Stark's name on his lips.
I thought Dany was amazing to be honest. Quite a turn she took there to show that she really has some of that crazy Targ in her. Burn them! Burn them all. I think she is making mistakes but she will prove to be able to control all that side of her. I also liked the fact that she turned to another woman for advice. Most of her council was always made up of men. This time she turned to Missandei. Missandei observes a lot and she is also someone who doesn't want anything from her. Barry wanted Dany to go to Westeros. Jorah wanted love. Daario Naharis sex and probably love. I mean it just makes sense to me.
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That scene was probably the first time I've liked Dany since "Dracarys". We need more of "The Mad Queen" Dany!
Seriously though, why in Seven Hells are D & D so set on going through with the Grey Worm and Missandai romance? It's horrible and a complete waste of time. I would much rather have more of Ros than that nonesense.
The Myranda jealously was also really annoying, I hope Ramsay tires of her quickly and feeds her to the dogs.
I was glad to finally have Jorah back on screen talking, I've missed that gruff old bastard.
Seriously though, why in Seven Hells are D & D so set on going through with the Grey Worm and Missandai romance? It's horrible and a complete waste of time. I would much rather have more of Ros than that nonesense.
Methinks he is giving them a sendoff, I have a distinct feeling lots more death will come to Meereen before seasons end.
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Seriously though, why in Seven Hells are D & D so set on going through with the Grey Worm and Missandai romance? It's horrible and a complete waste of time. I would much rather have more of Ros than that nonesense.
Methinks he is giving them a sendoff, I have a distinct feeling lots more death will come to Meereen before seasons end.
Grey Worm deserves a better send off than turning into some poor lovesick puppy. He's a badass unsullied, not some character from a Nicholas Sparks movie.
I find GW and Miss to be pleasant. I like pleasant things.
Myranda is jealous. We have seen that before. Why would she react any differently. Shes an insignificant character who's purpose is to create tension, I dont mind a 1-2 min scene here and there.
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Seriously though, why in Seven Hells are D & D so set on going through with the Grey Worm and Missandai romance? It's horrible and a complete waste of time. I would much rather have more of Ros than that nonesense.
Methinks he is giving them a sendoff, I have a distinct feeling lots more death will come to Meereen before seasons end.
Grey Worm deserves a better send off than turning into some poor lovesick puppy. He's a badass unsullied, not some character from a Nicholas Sparks movie.
See? this is what i don't understand about people complaining about Ser Barristan's death. To me, Grey Worm should've died right alongside Barristan, a lot better than dying on his sickbed.
I find GW and Miss to be pleasant. I like pleasant things.
Myranda is jealous. We have seen that before. Why would she react any differently. Shes an insignificant character who's purpose is to create tension, I dont mind a 1-2 min scene here and there.
Yup, I'm with Ry on both of these.
I thought the episode was very strong, and very focused, which worked well especially for me, since I'm not that interested in what happens in KL and Braavos at the moment.
I have to start with the ending, because.....NOOOOOO Jorah! I did NOT expect that one bit. The whole purpose of him catching greyscale is probably to cause a larger spread somewhere else, but somewhere else can only be Meereen (not likely, enough shit that goes around there already) or Westeros. I do wonder how long will he be able to keep it a secret tho...
Valyria looked breathtaking, and the poetry bit was a nice touch, it suited them both.
Speaking of greyscale, look at my baby Shireen riding with Dady to fuck the Boltons up.
But seriously, Stannis's last scene at the wall and the choice of music felt very ominous. As much as it pains me to admit it, I don't see him surviving this season, because I don't see what would they have to gain if he defeats the Boltons now. I can only hope for some losses on each side, and maybe a very costly victory for him, but that's it. Mel will definitely abandon him at some point, I doubt most of his ships will make it (when did he rebuild his fleet anyway??) and Shireens line about going into the crypts in Winterfell made my blood freeze because for me that kinda spelled out her death...I hope I'm wrong, I'm not very good at guessing, after all. However, Stannis's decisions seem to be laying the groundwork for a better defense agains the WW, so I'm happy with how the show keeps building up his character.
LMAO, I almost forgot "Fewer". Dillane's timing and gestures are impeccable.
Loved Jon and Tormund together, and Jon's scene with the Watch and with Olly afterwards. I have a bad feeling about Hardhome though.
A nice surprise in Sophie and Alfie acting out together, I thought they have great chemistry. That dinner scene was amazing. Aaaaand BaSi, I though of you because I think we have an explanation for Sansa's necklace. I think she keeps it as a weapon, the tip looked sharp enough to cause some damage. Betcha will see it in action by the end of the season.
That's about it, not much to say about Dany, since I've always said she was a crazy broad. Lady, don't get me wrong, I don't want you to ever set foot in Westeros but really... what are you doing tying yourself further and further to Meereen? Except for the obvious Messiah complex, of course.
I have a bad feeling about Stannis at Winterfell, a bad feeling about Hardhome, bad feelings all around. This season is working it way to some fucked up shit, I feel it in the water, I feel it in my bones.
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btw, when Olly tells Jon the wildlings killed his family, Jon could've pointed out that the ones who did that are all dead, one of them Olly killed himself, so... but he probably would still hate wildlings anyway.
Grey Worm deserves a better send off than turning into some poor lovesick puppy. He's a badass unsullied, not some character from a Nicholas Sparks movie.
See? this is what i don't understand about people complaining about Ser Barristan's death. To me, Grey Worm should've died right alongside Barristan, a lot better than dying on his sickbed.
Neither of them should of even been wounded by those jobbers. Both characters would obliterate the Sons of Harpy blinfolded with one arm tied behind their backs.
I mean ffs, Barristan was a man who single handedly rescued Aerys from Duskendale, yet he was unable to handle a few Harpies. Ugh, horrible just horrible way to kill off a character like that.
btw, when Olly tells Jon the wildlings killed his family, Jon could've pointed out that the ones who did that are all dead, one of them Olly killed himself, so... but he probably would still hate wildlings anyway.
Tormund was on that party, and Jon basically promoted him to leader of the Wildlings, so I see why Olly would still be mad.
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"Robert was never the same after he put on that crown. Some men are like swords, made for fighting. Hang them up and they go to rust.” -DN
btw, when Olly tells Jon the wildlings killed his family, Jon could've pointed out that the ones who did that are all dead, one of them Olly killed himself, so... but he probably would still hate wildlings anyway.
Tormund was on that party, and Jon basically promoted him to leader of the Wildlings, so I see why Olly would still be mad.
lol completely forgot about him, damn that must hurt! but still jon could present the argument as hey, they payed too, they lost al these people, they're starving, they're running from the white walkers, but he doesn't even try it, it's like he's expecting them to follow, at least try and convince them, the line about being protectors of men is too vauge compared to "they just killed my entire family".
Grey Worm deserves a better send off than turning into some poor lovesick puppy. He's a badass unsullied, not some character from a Nicholas Sparks movie.
See? this is what i don't understand about people complaining about Ser Barristan's death. To me, Grey Worm should've died right alongside Barristan, a lot better than dying on his sickbed.
Neither of them should of even been wounded by those jobbers. Both characters would obliterate the Sons of Harpy blinfolded with one arm tied behind their backs.
I mean ffs, Barristan was a man who single handedly rescued Aerys from Duskendale, yet he was unable to handle a few Harpies. Ugh, horrible just horrible way to kill off a character like that.
Get a grip Al, a single man would get murdered by 20 people no matter how good he is with a sword, i think you're too used to the idea of master of weapon killing a thousand and being the big fucking here without realizing how impossible this shit really is, the thing is, if you're caught in an alley by 20 fanatics, you're dead. No matter how good or bad they are in a fight, there's just too many of them.
Using the words of a character as a way to illustrate your argument really doesn't help, 'cause it doesn't matter. Whoever thinks it does, is really adorable.
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I mean ffs, Barristan was a man who single handedly rescued Aerys from Duskendale, yet he was unable to handle a few Harpies. Ugh, horrible just horrible way to kill off a character like that.
Yes, Barry was a badass at Duskendale, but that was 20 years (!!!) before the events of the show. Anyone, no matter who you are, your skills will dull as you age. That is why he failed Aerys and why he failed Robert, Barristan the bold was no longer the legend he was in his younger years.
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I'm somewhere in between Al and Dolan on this. The Unsullied were killed far too easily, and showed few of the skills they should have had. GW seems to be the only one of them who knows how to fight worth a damn. I don't think it's unrealistic that they lost. I think it's unrealistic that they lost so easily and were completely unable to adapt to an urban setting. When I think of Unsullied, I think of a fighting force more akin to Spartans than a conventional army that has a couple months of training.
I'm somewhere in between Al and Dolan on this. The Unsullied were killed far too easily, and showed few of the skills they should have had. GW seems to be the only one of them who knows how to fight worth a damn. I don't think it's unrealistic that they lost. I think it's unrealistic that they lost so easily and were completely unable to adapt to an urban setting. When I think of Unsullied, I think of a fighting force more akin to Spartans than a conventional army that has a couple months of training.
And it wasn't 20 to 1, more like 20 to 8.
That's what happens in an ambush, surprise effect + numbers, the Unsullied are not the invincible soldiers we're used to like the Spartans in Frank Miller's 300 (shitty comic and shitty movie btw, and they all died too) but i think it makes the idea of an Unsullied army a little more believable that way.
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Yes, Barry was a badass at Duskendale, but that was 20 years (!!!) before the events of the show. Anyone, no matter who you are, your skills will dull as you age. That is why he failed Aerys and why he failed Robert, Barristan the bold was no longer the legend he was in his younger years.
He didn't fail Aerys or Robert in combat though, one was stabbed in the back by Kingsguard and the other was too drunk to be hunting, there's really nothing Barristan could of done to prevent those deaths from happening.
The whole scene just doesn't sit well with me.
1. Barristan having an afternnoon stroll while Dany's holding court
2. Running towards danger instead of going back to check on Dany
3. Unsullied being made out to look like amateurs
4. The Sons of The Harpy are not that deft at warfare and swordsmanship
5. Need we forget how swiftly Barristan handled himself during ADWD!
To me it feels like D & D killed off Selmy just to force a certain moment from ADWD to happen.
The thing that stings me the most is they had just begun to make good use of the character, Barristan was finally able to tell Dany about what Aerys and Rhaegar as people were like.
I would of much rather they killed off Grey Worm than Selmy.
He wasn't just in a morning stroll, he had just done his speech to Dany about how he and Rhaegar would go out and talk to the people, Rhaegar would sing, etc. So, IIRC, Dany tells him to go sing fo her or whatever and that's what he's doing when the shit goes down. I don't have to tell you again about the whole numbers > swordsmanship again (and btw, daggers are better than spears in close quarters anyway). What happened in the pooks!
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is that he fought one guy with an arakh and no armor, while he was in full armor and he tells himself (his POV) is that if he had no armor he would've been cut a thousand times before he touched the guy, 'cause of how fast he was with the Arakh, so the armor did th job for him basically.
The only two complaints i have about that scene is that Unsullied should've been using shortswords. And maybe Barristan could some armor, but then again how would he have access to one? Everybody else in that area seems to only use leather armor.
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1. Barristan having an afternnoon stroll while Dany's holding court
2. Running towards danger instead of going back to check on Dany
3. Unsullied being made out to look like amateurs
4. The Sons of The Harpy are not that deft at warfare and swordsmanship
5. Need we forget how swiftly Barristan handled himself during ADWD!
To me it feels like D & D killed off Selmy just to force a certain moment from ADWD to happen.
BUT...
1. I wanted to write something but Dolan already explained it better.
2. Why would he go back to check on Dany at the pyramid when something was happening right next to him? Someone could have been in mortal peril, as was the case.
No. 3 is debatable, to me they weren't made to look like amateurs, they were simply ambushed and unprepared to fight in that style, but that's up to anyone's interpretation.
4. That assumption is based on the reality of the books, and not the one established on the show. I suggest continuing this particular topic in the other thread.
5. Again, you're judging the scene by how a character was portrayed in a certain scene in the books, which I'm sorry to say, is irrelevant for the show, or this thread. Time to treat them as two separate entities, with separate characters. Personally, I see no inconsistency in show-Barristan's character or death.
I liked all the scenes in the episode, but the pacing was odd. It felt like we spend too much time in any given storyline before switching. Winterfell and the Wall especially could have used some breaks.
2. Why would he go back to check on Dany at the pyramid when something was happening right next to him? Someone could have been in mortal peril, as was the case.
He's Dany's principal Queensguard, his number one priority at all times should be the saftey of the Queen! One of the main reasons why he's in Essos in the first place is to make amends for what happened with Aerys and Robert. Selmy running towards danger instead of checking on Dany was completely out of character.
I liked all the scenes in the episode, but the pacing was odd. It felt like we spend too much time in any given storyline before switching. Winterfell and the Wall especially could have used some breaks.
I'm right at the other end, Jent! I liked that we got more time on each storyline. I sometimes feel they try to fit too much in one ep (more storylnes) and they cut too fast from one to another. I suppose that's what happens when you have many locations. But this one felt just perfect in that regard.
After re-watching this episode I've become quite fond of it, it's definitely my favorite of the season so far. I loved that it heavily featured the Boltons, we need more Roose dammit!
Just give us the scene already D & D, there really is no need to beat around TW's bush anymore.
I'm glad I'm not the only one! I was like, "did she just do what I thought she did?" Oh, Selmy would not approve. Don't give two 
about Greyworm or Miss Sandy. The Mad Queen. 
As one of my favorite characters would say: "I could have bested the man absent and arm and both fucking legs!"
