Jent! But holy shit! The theory was true. I wonder where Mags is. If it turns out she's Shira Seastar's daughter with some guy we all know it would be one hell of a thing.
I thought that this episode was great, albeit seeing Doran go out so quickly is a huge waste with Siddig. Oh well. On the bright side, for once Dorne actually surprised me!!
Yuss, that really moved me. Also seeing Theon hug Sansa and pick up that sword, aah I just love this character.
Davos and his mutton, lolz!
Also the scene with Khal Moro was good, Mel was great, and Jorah and Daario were pretty decent too.
The rest either felt repetitive (Cersei and Jaime), awkwardly directed (Tyrion and Varys) or just plain lousy (Sandsnakes on a boat).
Ellaria and Doran weren't so bad, I actually quite liked it by the end but man, Areo and Doran were some very underused characters.
Oh, forgot about Ramsay, lmao. Good meat. I knew he'd pull off something like that.
And something else that bugged me was the abrupt change of scenery between the misty green mountains where they find Dany's ring and the arrid desert hills where she is now, felt a bit too much distance covered.
All in all, a mediocre premiere, I'm not liking Podeswa or wut's his name, I think he directed something last season too, no? The editing wasn't great either, and neither was the writing, the scenes again felt too short and lifeless.
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How like Dorne to take a shit on an otherwise more than decent premiere. I wish they'd have cut it all instead, I really do. Instead they decided to make each and every character they included a shadow of themselves (even the 2 dimensional Sand Snakes at least have respect for family). I have no idea where they are going with this, since killing Doran was eliminating their last chance to produce some good television out of those characters.
Oh it wasnt that bad of a scene, Jent. The only other way that scene could have gone was to have Doran eliminate the Sand Snakes, and since we have already seen that 'whats her face' would defy Doran's orders, her killing him made sense. I admit the Trystane scene was silly but it was brief.
I have never seen any thing with Siddig in it, so I dont have such a hard on for him like some people. That being said, his loss means zilch to me and I dont care how underused he was, he was just a secondary expendable character.
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I thought everything else about the episode was good, except for Jaime & Arya, as Macha said above due more to the repetitiveness of each scene, Jaime will do anything for Cersei, Arya getting the shit beat out of her. Loved loved loved EDD.
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Solid episode! A lot of nice scenes, and unusually funny as well. Those dudebro Dothraki had me in stitches. It's really wonderful to see Davos step into the spotlight as well. The Melisandre reveal was an unsettling and intriguing way to finish, I wonder if it'll become relevant. I thought Thorne's speech was pretty good as well.
Dorne was a wash, hopefully that's largely it for that storyline. I thought the scene with Doran was well done, as unpromising as it is. Trystane was just confusing. How did the Sand Snakes get there?
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I thought everything else about the episode was good, except for Jaime & Arya, as Macha said above due more to the repetitiveness of each scene, Jaime will do anything for Cersei, Arya getting the shit beat out of her. Loved loved loved EDD.
-- Edited by Rygar on Monday 25th of April 2016 06:53:14 AM
I agree on everything else being good, and I also think Arya and Jaime's scebes were necessary even if they were a bit repettitive. I especially liked Theon and Melly Sanders.
But I'll have to agree to disagree on Dorne, it was just a turd. Nothing in that storyline makes any sense at face value and they never even bother trying to explain it. It's as if they know Dorne is a piece of shit and want to get through with it as fast as possible. It's also extremely annoying that the worst part of show Dorne (Ellaria) is essentially all that remains of that storyline. It's just so painfully bad, really. Such stupid characters are getting prioritized over interesting ones...
Ellaria killing Doran does make sense I think. She hates him, she blames him for the weakness of Dorne and wants to take over. You can quibble about the believability of people in Dorne going along with that, but she did say that the Sand Snakes have the love of their people, and the guards didn't intervene.
Still bad though.
Trystane though...I guess the other two Sand Snakes got on another ship, followed him to King's Landing and boarded his ship?
-- Edited by Cosca on Monday 25th of April 2016 07:39:30 AM
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I really liked Lena & Nicolaj's scene to be honest. It felt powerfully real and made Cersei look so human, what with her wondering about Myrcella's goodness, and her not being a monster for making something good. Because with Joff it was a different song. It also drove the point (because the prophecy was a while ago) that her kids are destined to die before her. She had a flashback to the witch last year in the opener, but that was a year ago and some may have only a vague remembrance of that. Acting wise I think it was one of the best.
I do have a question: anyone remember if Davos knows what happened to Shireen? I don't think he could, right? I mean he seemed ok with asking the Red Woman for help. That wouldn't happen if he knew I think.
LOL Don! the Jet Pack is working too! You'd have to completely ignore things like those hiccups: Trystane and the Sand Sanke, Mel's choker, etc. I mean look at it this way: For John Snow it's been hours since he was stabbed and Davos sees him. (last ep for s5 & last ep for S6), the same goes for Theon and Sansa. But Jaime somehow gets to KL during that time?!
-- Edited by TormundsWoman on Monday 25th of April 2016 08:10:03 AM
I agree TW, I thought the Cersei scene was lovely. And I imagine it'll be more resonant when she really does become a monster and massacres half the city.
No, Davos has no idea. I wonder if he'll ever find out.
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It wasn't Cersei that made that scene bad, it was the whole "I will kill every single one of them and more so that we are together" from Jaime once again. Actually, you wont, because Mamma has a FrankenMountain. So suck on your golden thumb, big nose! Nanny nanny poo poo.
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As an episode, this one was good. As a SEASON PREMIERE episode, it should go down as the worst one in the history of television. There were about ten or fifteen minutes of worthwhile scenes and I'll bet most of those were filmed while they were shooting Season Five. A little editing and increase the run time of the Season Five finale and those could've been folded in to that episode.
Then this premiere could have started out guns blazing instead of (mostly) treading water.
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I mean look at it this way: For John Snow it's been hours since he was stabbed and Davos sees him. (last ep for s5 & last ep for S6), the same goes for Theon and Sansa. But Jaime somehow gets to KL during that time?!
I don't think events in various locations are happening at *exactly* the same time. You can see for example how Cersei's hair has grown a bit and there aren't any bruises visible on her either, so I assume things in KL have not been picked up just right after the finale, like in the North.
Macha Macha Macha, I binged the show a few months ago. Since there is no book in sight, thought I'd get caught up.
Cosca, it happens all the time in television. Simple scenes that don't contain huge plot twists (Jaime's return to KL, Jorah and Daario finding the ring in the grass, etc.) are often "old" footage. Saves on production costs and time and eliminates many continuity errors especially in outdoor scenes.
But you got me. I do exaggerate. Probably because I just like to whine.
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Macha, that's a super convenient explanation. So KL, the Wall, Meereen and Winterfell all are picking up where they left off but Dorne doesn't I have no doubt that it is true, probably that's what they meant to do or it would be ridiculous, but I would qualify it as just as bad. Could have easily kept it all for one two eps later. Explain properly how the hell those Sand Snakes got to Trystane or something. I'm just saying: keep it constant all across the board. Don't think I'm too hung up on it though. It's done and over.
I'm glad they made short work of all that Dornish silliness, especially if it means we won't be seeing Dorne again this season. I don't know why anyone would be upset about that, considering how bad it was last season.
Arya as the helpless blind girl begging for coins is ridiculous. Completely out of character.
I loved Khaleesi and the Dothraki. Perfection.
They need to stop drawing out Jon Snow's resurrection. It's annoying.
And we got a warm, fuzzy moment with Brienne, Sansa and Reek! So uncharacteristic.
Having Jaime in Dorne in the first place is what looks pointless now that I look back on it. His presence there had zero impact and actually he seems rather stuck as a character. I thought it made sense for him and Cersei to grow further apart, but for now he keeps coming back to the same old "us agains the world", yawn.
I think it was a good call not to do anything about Jon in the season premiere, IMHO it would have cheapened last season's finale. Really curious to see how they'll handle it next.
EDIT: LMAO, Ry. That's romantic enough, now find us a corpse and let's just bang while we wait for that day.
-- Edited by Macha on Monday 25th of April 2016 02:47:15 PM
Exactly right, Macha. I would expect him to have gained some insight, not to retreat to his old ways of thinking. It's a shame. I'm surprised he wasn't making plans to deal with the High Sparrow after what he did. I think the needed Jaime gone for the whole High Sparrow thing to happen at all, or they would've cut Dorne completely.
I was hoping for creepy blue-eyed Jon to come back to life and get mauled by Ghost, but no such luck.
Solid episode! A lot of nice scenes, and unusually funny as well. Those dudebro Dothraki had me in stitches. It's really wonderful to see Davos step into the spotlight as well. The Melisandre reveal was an unsettling and intriguing way to finish, I wonder if it'll become relevant. I thought Thorne's speech was pretty good as well.
Dorne was a wash, hopefully that's largely it for that storyline. I thought the scene with Doran was well done, as unpromising as it is. Trystane was just confusing. How did the Sand Snakes get there?
I generally agree with your assessment, Cosca. There were many elements of the episode I loved, and they far outweighed the things I didn't. I'm not at the point of feeling like the Doran scene was well done, but that may well be due to being disappointed how little Siddig was used. I, too, was confused by how the Sand Snakes got to Trystane, but after reading some comments on WotW, I'm willing to buy the idea Obara and Nym followed the ship back to KL. I do have a bit of a problem with why Trystane would be left unguarded on the ship at anchor, but whatever, I'd rather focus on all the other elements of the episode I enjoyed.
Speaking of comments on WotW, I saw a lot of people pointing out Melisandre didn't have the necklace on in the bath in season 4. That doesn't really bother me, as her frame of mind couldn't have been more different in the season 4 scene versus the scene from last night. My idea is as long as her inner fire is burning brightly, she can be without the necklace, at least for a brief period of time, without the glamour falling away. Given she seems so defeated, and her faith is shaken, in other words, her inner fire has gone out, it makes sense to me the glamor could not hold without the necklace.
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I'll bet it costs Melly mana points or whatever to keep the glamour going and the necklace just enables her to cast the spell. She's tired, devastated and doesn't give a shit any more so she dropped the disguise.
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I'll bet it costs Melly mana points or whatever to keep the glamour going and the necklace just enables her to cast the spell. She's tired, devastated and doesn't give a shit any more so she dropped the disguise.
Yeah, I think we're saying similar things, or at least agree "state of mind" for lack of a better way of putting it, has an impact on the glamour. I also saw people mentioning the vial. We did have the vials in the season 4 bath scene, and they seemed to make a point of showing one of the vials in last night's episode, so whatever is in the vial could have something to do with it, too.
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I'll bet it costs Melly mana points or whatever to keep the glamour going and the necklace just enables her to cast the spell. She's tired, devastated and doesn't give a shit any more so she dropped the disguise.
Heh mana. Well played.
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I think it was empty, too. I just don't have any ideas what was in it, nor what it did. I haven't gotten beyond the "they must've shown it for a reason" phase.
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The worst: the writing, D&D can't write for shit. All the characters are just narrating the plot, noone has their own distinctive voice (maybe Davos has a bit, but it seems he is the only actor trying to make something of the script) and the dialogues are the worst I have ever seen on TV. Everything that happens is pure out of convenience for D&D (hey lol, the fleet is on fire!), it's all extremely lazy and even the most basic logical consequences to the actions of the characters are thrown out of the window to just push this damn train to the end.
The awful: the editing and directing. Everything looked so damn clunky, not a second of this episode had a natural flow to it. The swordfight again was terrible. The whole episode looked extremely rushed and there were way too many camera angles.
So someone posted the scroll that Doran received. It sheds light on how the male sand snake and the chinese one "magically" appeared to kill Tyrstane.
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"The Princess Myrcella died by poison on our return journey. I suspect Ellaria Sand, not you, but my sister will demand war. I doubt Ellaria's head will appease her, but it is a start, along with your neices. Your son cannot stay in King's Landing. I am sending him back on the same ship."
So I am thinking that the Dorne timeline must be ahead of what transpired in Kings Landing. Jaime sends the raven or whatever when he returns and sends the ship back. Probably doesnt give the ship enough time to make it back realistically, but I guess that somewhat explains how the Snakes were on board if he came back. Just not sure how they knew unless they intetcepted the message.
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There are definitely different timelines at play. We pick up at the Wall right after Jon gets stabbed, but the last we saw Jaime and Myrcella, they were just off the coast of Dorne. So, on that timeline, enough time has passed for the ship Jaime and Trystane are on to get back to KL. Whether Jaime sent the raven while they were at sea, or immediately upon his return to KL, I still think Nymeria and Obara were on a smaller, faster ship. That would leave them enough time to catch up with Jaime and Trystane's ship from when we last saw Ellaria and the Sand Snakes standing on the docks. It looked to me like the ship Jaime and Trystane returned on was anchored just off shore of KL, and we saw Trystane on the boat painting the eye stones for Myrcella. That tells me the ship is still at anchor just off the coast of KL.
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Jent! But holy shit! The theory was true. I wonder where Mags is. If it turns out she's Shira Seastar's daughter with some guy we all know it would be one hell of a thing.
that's something to look forward to! It's happening.
