Ok I’ll go first:
Bronn shoots down Drogon, Drogon dies
Arya kills Dany
Jon goes beyond the Wall. Cannot handle all this. And Tormund said he’s got the real North in him
Tyrion asks Sansa to rule with him. Makes and alliance and rules after whatever Army Sansa can muster is sent to KL
I got nothing else.
Final scene is Jon and Ghost walking in the real North with the Wall at their backs.
I'm going with a happy ending. Varys' letter went to the remaining nobles. Sansa heads down with her entourage. All of the remaining nobles show up and take sides. Dany burns all of the Starks forces, except for Bran, who is hiding in a tree. Bran wargs into the dragon, shakes off Dany and burns all of Dany's forces. Except for Davos, who has his magic bowl o' brown-powered shield. He rules from the onion throne during the reconstruction and earns the eternal love of the people. Then he abdicates and becomes a best-selling author of children's books. Bran lives out his life as a friendly dragon.The seven kingdoms are no longer a monarchy and become Switzerland. The end.
I’m down with #DavosForPresident I don’t imagine we will see Yara again. Bran’s journey is done I think. I’m guessing he’s not going to warg a dragon now he’s so detached of the real Planetos world as 3ER. Would have been cool to see him Warging one against the NK but if he could not be bothered then, I don’t see him do it now. For the record I wanna know what’s with the Oldtown glass candle. I always wanted to know.
I will say this so I don´t say what a piece of shit that episode was and the ending would probably be too:
"Life is a tale told by in idiot, full of sound and fury, signifiying nothing".
For the ending I need not only Cosca hat but Macbeth´s too now.
It´s gonna be very bad.
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Dany tries to burn Jon, Drogon refuses since Jon is a Targ, turns around and eats Dany Bran's mark from the Night King begins to turn into ice, his eyes Turn blue....and he becomes the new NK!
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I'm going with a happy ending. Varys' letter went to the remaining nobles. Sansa heads down with her entourage. All of the remaining nobles show up and take sides. Dany burns all of the Starks forces, except for Bran, who is hiding in a tree. Bran wargs into the dragon, shakes off Dany and burns all of Dany's forces. Except for Davos, who has his magic bowl o' brown-powered shield. He rules from the onion throne during the reconstruction and earns the eternal love of the people. Then he abdicates and becomes a best-selling author of children's books. Bran lives out his life as a friendly dragon.The seven kingdoms are no longer a monarchy and become Switzerland. The end.
I AM 100% ON BOARD WITH THIS!!!
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Dany tries to kill Jon via dragonfire but fails, Arya flies out of nowhere and kills Dany. Grey Worm Kills Arya, Jon kills grey Worm, gets fatally wounded in the process, and an out civil war starts inside king's landing between the northern forces and all the other lord who are there to pay homage to the new queen, meanwhile Jon in his death bed renounces the throne and dies leaving no Targ heir. Ser Davos, seeing the chaos, rises to the moment and leads an army of king's landing civilians and kills/throws out any soldier from any army, declaring king's landing a free city, Bravosi style. Ruled by representatives from every guild of every craft, himself representing the smuggler, i mean pirate, i mean seafaring merchant class.
Every other realm declares independence and we go back to the petty kingdom era of everyone against everyone from before the Targaryen invasion.
Well that's my fanfic version at least, and i think it would be pretty cool to see.
Plans Sansa is declared Queen in the North and decrees women can inherit on the same grounds as men.
On the real North, Tormund founds another confederation of Wildling tribes and goes back to raiding the south, now in huge numbers due to the gap in the Wall and the depleted numbers of Night's watch men.
I did kind of think the Iron Bank would have more of a role in the endgame, heralding the beginning of capitalism and so on. So I like your ending Dolan
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So Edmure lives! I can’t say how relieved I am they didn’t kill Drogon or Ghost the rest eh. And they’re not even real animals! Jon and Ghost and Tormund I feel at peace. Weirdly enough that Bran still worries of Drogon. See if he can find him I was in tears when Drogon kept pushing Dany trying to get a reaction. And then the dragon out of all ON HIS OWN did the right thing. Maybe he should’ve ruled Westeros.
The next thing D&D should write is "How to destroy an epic series in 4 episodes and do absolute injustice to every single character." Next they'll victimize Star Wars. Fuck them.
I did like Brienne finishing Jamie's chapter of the King's Guard book. Everything else felt contrived, poorly explained and even more poorly thought out. I absolutely hated it. I can't even...
Well, actually, yes I can.
Good to know that if Jamie and Cersei had stood five feet to the right, they would've been fine. I guess Cersei and Jamie were killed by rocks for the sole purpose of having Tyrion find their bodies. Awesome to have one of the most important deaths of the series be reduced to a cheesy plot device.
Also really cool that Drogon dropped off Dany's body so that everyone knew she had been stabbed "in the heart." Oh, that didn't happen? So I guess Bran told everyone because his crows saw it? No? Did Jon write out a full confession or something?
I love that Tyrion is told he has no place speaking to the council and then gives us a godawful twenty minute soliloquy on who he's decided should be king based on...what exactly? Apparently because he's the only one who's had some traumatic things happen. How is it that Bran can't be Lord of Winterfell, but he can be king of the Six Kingdoms? Winterfell wasn't good enough for him, so he made a lame excuse about being the 3ER and not being able to do the job? And then he gripes about not having a master of whispers? He's the 3ER! He IS the master of whispers. But at least he doesn't let meetings drag on too long. And why exactly was it so important for Jon to know his parentage? Bran didn't bother revealing anything else about the future or the past to anyone, but for some reason this super divisive, yet ultimately irrelevant, information just had to be shared as quickly as possible.
And Jon Snow...why is he alive again? I thought Beric and Mel were just around while they had a role to play. I guess his role is making mopey faces while he contemplates all the women he betrayed. This ep he acted like having to go north is the worst thing that's ever happened to him, but a couple of eps ago he was longing to go north with Tormund and Ghost when he left Winterfell. Which is it? Also really cool that Jon is pretending that Sansa "freed" the north, yet Sansa is the queen. I'm pretty sure the wildlings didn't sign on to that. Free? That word doesn't mean what you think it means, Jon. Go drown in a hot spring.
So was Bran just playing the game? Using everyone else just so he could be King?
This episode was the WORST. All over the place. Like BaS said, contrived, poorly executed, and RUSHED. I understand if D&D wanted out, but at least make an effort to not suck so hard
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I liked it. I think it mostly held together. To me Jon's parentage was only ever really about how Dany would react to it, Jon isn't the most changeable sort. Jon is also not the kind of guy who lies, he would certainly confess to killing Dany immediately. Jon may have wanted to go North but getting banished kind of takes "freedom" and being free out of the equation.
The only thing I think that was rushed was Grey Worm, they kind of skipped over his reaction there with the time skip. Otherwise it actually seemed rather leisurely in pacing.
King Bran makes sense in a weird sort of way, better to have a figurehead who won't have children and won't start shit.
The first 40 minutes were pretty beautiful. To me that was an appropriate ending. All the fan servicey stuff after that I can take or leave for the most part.
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I think people will be kinder to this season in future. But I have been very wrong before, and the incredibly visceral reaction has taken me aback. Overall, I'm happy to have this ending at all. GRRM had some nice ideas after all for all the shit I've given him over the years. If he had ever gotten through the 5 year gap bullshit, he would have a good ending on his hands.
I actually would have taken more bitter with the sweet. Happy my main man Davos lived tho
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I am somewhere in the middle myself. I didn't hate it, didn't love it either. I think it's the weird inconsistencies of having for example a NW when you no longer have the purpose given by a threat (the Others) that is just odd to me. I know Tyrion said that is mostly to have where to send criminals, but what exactly productive will they do now? Before they were the main line of defense. I don't know, just weird.
And the North is an independent kingdom for a thousand yrs but Dorne was an independent kingdom a long time too. And not only that, Dorne was the last one brought into the Seven Kingdoms and frankly they were allowed more liberties because they were so damn stubborn. I would have thought they would be the most likely to be independent (?) ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
GW being the supreme commander of the Essosi forces that hold KL does make it understandable that he'd make conditions for the punishment of Jon Snow so I was ok with that, still felt out of place though since it was like basically once single scene away from where he was appointed but ok.
I personally liked Arya going west. Showwise she was bound to. It was already established where she wanted to go when all's done. She said so to Lady Crane. I like the idea of her being a Sea Snake kind of character.
Sansa has applied some good levels of LF sneakiness to get everything right so Dany would be betrayed, but Ry is right and Bran surpassed everyone! He came so far to be king. I can imagine there's a reason why he wants to find Drogon. He's not a Targ yet he's looking for him (?) what would he do with the dragon anyway, it's not like he can ride it, can he? Hah Sansa: You'll be a good king, little brother... I think I'm with Tyrion. Ask me in 10 yrs
Cosca wrote:GRRM had some nice ideas after all for all the shit I've given him over the years. If he had ever gotten through the 5 year gap bullshit, he would have a good ending on his hands.
he did. If this is where he ends up and you have the POV insight where you see Dany go nuts (yes, I know what the show runners said and what Emilia said- she did not go insane but her Savior complex and the way she just justified slaughtering a city civil population to Jon is the definition of nuts), I think I will be pleased to read his last two books.
Just wanted to add something that's my new book theory: if Martin though sticks to his guns original guns about the Others being a an alien race instead of just being a transformation of humans to a weapon by the CotF you might actually have the war against the Others won by this generation of humans, while they know they didn't just wipe out entirely this race in the style of Vampire sired population. It may give the NW a real purpose of rebuilding itself. And it would make sense to have Jon at the Wall. Just thinking out loud.
Anyway, that's all she wrote folks
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Tyrion said they're keeping the Night's Watch just as a handy place to send undesirables, its basically just a prison now. C'mon TW!
They've definitely set things up in such a way that those other kingdoms are bound to eventually secede. While voting for a monarch is a small step forward its gonna be pretty rough when God King Bran dies in like 20 years from bad circulation
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I'm strangely content. I would also have been good if Jon kissed Dany and they ruled from then on out. Maybe even had a "Last Temptation of Christ" moment there.
Anyway, does this mean our project is done?
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Good to know that if Jamie and Cersei had stood five feet to the right, they would've been fine.
Exactly, and like this so so many other inconsistencies and opportunities lost to nothing, to bad writing or whatever was that made them write such terrible last season (for the most part).
Luckily I stopped liking the show many seasons ago, except some scenes or ideas here and there and the great acting, because now, I´d feel pretty bad about this last season. Pissed as Bas said, disappointed at least. Because man, what a way to shit on storytelling. Sorry, but I really can´t see how people liked this. I really can´t. I tried but the mistakes and lazyness are too much. I can´t care less for what the gurm would do, books or show, I´m just saying it´s unbelievaby poor and shameless writing. There´s a word in spanish "desidia" that I can´t translate to english. Is more than just lazyness or idleness and it describes perfectly what I feel about this last season. For fucking shame.
I read what people says and most are all "I´m ok with it" or "I didn´t hate it" but after 8 years (!) people should be really enjoying it not trying to be ok with the damn thing. Idk, maybe I´m just wrong, maybe 8 years were too much to end an epic story with, well, an epic feeling. Maybe it tried to show more our times than epic times. But you know, this was supposed to be an epic fantasy, ffs. Give people some of that drama and emotional resolutions. They all looked so fucking dead inside. And because they were. The writers killed the best and the worst of all the characters with the silly inconsistencies and disregard for the viewers and the story. They were all so gray and boring at the end. Drogon´s fire burned way more than just KL. Couldn´t they just hire better writers. Really? Ttopped trying to direct the thing, why not the writing that was ten times worse than the directing. So very weird to me.
Talking about Epic, I wonder what he is thinking.
Also, I sorely regret that this whole thing really wasn´t the works of an anarchist. It really would make so much sense. But you can´t be an anarchist today and not be so tomorrow or the day before. Was a really nice idea tho, Cosca.
I really wanted to shut up about it but it was all too poor to me. After 8 years you´d think people had enough time to do better. Looks like I´m pissed too, somehow.
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As for being ok with an ok ending: with a long running show that's often the best that can be hoped for. I can only think of one show that lasted more than 5 seasons and actually had a good ending (The Shield). TV shows, and let's be honest, epic fantasy series, are designed in such a way that part of the joy is that it's drawn out, that the story is continues every year or 2 in installments. People wanted more episodes this season but it's clear everyone involved was running out of steam. This is also why most long running epic fantasy book series tend to end fucking terribly.
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Nitpicking like the placement of falling bricks as proof of terrible writing is what I don't get. That's some Cinemasins silliness.
No, lol, sorry, it wasn´t the placement of falling bricks the proof of terrible writing. Wouldn´t "that" be silly. I quoted that because it made me laugh. And also think it was Bas´ intention. That was pretty silly if you want to call it that but is what turned the whole writing into shameless to me. Let´s just leave things where they fell attitude what transparents here I think. And not talking about falling rocks again. They tired and lazy and they couldn´t care less, I guess. It shows too much.
I think Bas pointed out some of the problems. And TW too. There´s plenty anyway. Inconsistencies and rushed and poor writing examples. Let´s not even talk about dialogues. I´m pretty lazy myself right now to talk about it in detail. But I might do it another day.
About Grey Worm: You wanted more of his reaction after his queen´s murder, and to me it was just terrible that the new bosses in town, including King Bran would do as this very minor character liked who only really wanted revenge for his gf. As D& D tried to show, Daenerys was a queen most people in Westeros didn´t want. Most of all when she went nuts. It didn´t make sense. Let´s give this guy noone knows or like what he wants for whatever pointless reason. To avoid war? Idk, can´t find a good reason.
About the Night´s Watch some of you were talking about: I understood there were nothing but wildlings there? Despite what Tyrion said about criminals. I´m prolly wrong but looked like Tormund was waiting for him. I actually liked the fact Jon went to live with them, they were my favorites after all but it wasn´t the most sensible ending.
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They didn't want to have to fight the Unsullied, since they're supposed to be the ultimate badasses and have Jon Snow as a captive. This isn't me fanwanking either, pretty sure they spelled that out. They had the northern armies surrounding the city.
There was a couple of guys in black escorting Jon, who I presumed were Night Watch.
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The way I see it, this is likely the only ending we'll ever get, and I'm glad to have it.
If we ever do get the remaining books, especially given my opinion of big chunks of books 4 and 5, I don't have a lot of hope I'll find the book ending particularly satisfactory, although, hey, I'll have a lot more knowledge about the various trees of Dorne.
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I really need to stop saying, "how stupid can you be?" Some people are starting to take it as a personal challenge.
Bran being the king at the end is the dumbest fucking thing in the history of dumb fucking things, so I hope the books go that way too. Everything else makes sense, if lazily done.
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I'm giving you a look right now Cosca . You know they had a vote, right? Cocks don't matter anymore. It's a vote! Could have been a queen. And even so, without a vote... there she is Sansa, Queen in the North! Plus what do you mean his heir. Jon would have been king of the Seven Kingdoms on the basis of his Targ blood the rightful king as a primogeniture. What is Bran have to do with Targaryens?
Good to know that if Jamie and Cersei had stood five feet to the right, they would've been fine. I guess Cersei and Jamie were killed by rocks for the sole purpose of having Tyrion find their bodies. Awesome to have one of the most important deaths of the series be reduced to a cheesy plot device.
Also really cool that Drogon dropped off Dany's body so that everyone knew she had been stabbed "in the heart." Oh, that didn't happen? So I guess Bran told everyone because his crows saw it? No? Did Jon write out a full confession or something?
That's the kind of frustrating shit we've had to deal with this whole time. In Tyrion's scene all they had to do was add some random extras already digging up the crypt and some more just standing by Jaime's and Cersei's recently dug up corpses. There, all the explanation the viewer needed, show not tell and all that.
Instead, we get D&D's regular empty scenes and incoherent plot resolution. It's all so clumsy and poorly thought out.
This same show could so much more.
I'm just glad it's over, RIP ASOIAF.
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I have a question. Who was the prince that was promised then? God, this show.
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Bran being the king at the end is the dumbest fucking thing in the history of dumb fucking things, so I hope the books go that way too. Everything else makes sense, if lazily done.
shut the hell up you wet blanket
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I am somewhere in the middle myself. I didn't hate it, didn't love it either. I think it's the weird inconsistencies of having for example a NW when you no longer have the purpose given by a threat (the Others) that is just odd to me. I know Tyrion said that is mostly to have where to send criminals, but what exactly productive will they do now? Before they were the main line of defense. I don't know, just weird.
And the North is an independent kingdom for a thousand yrs but Dorne was an independent kingdom a long time too. And not only that, Dorne was the last one brought into the Seven Kingdoms and frankly they were allowed more liberties because they were so damn stubborn. I would have thought they would be the most likely to be independent (?) ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
GW being the supreme commander of the Essosi forces that hold KL does make it understandable that he'd make conditions for the punishment of Jon Snow so I was ok with that, still felt out of place though since it was like basically once single scene away from where he was appointed but ok.
I personally liked Arya going west. Showwise she was bound to. It was already established where she wanted to go when all's done. She said so to Lady Crane. I like the idea of her being a Sea Snake kind of character.
Sansa has applied some good levels of LF sneakiness to get everything right so Dany would be betrayed, but Ry is right and Bran surpassed everyone! He came so far to be king. I can imagine there's a reason why he wants to find Drogon. He's not a Targ yet he's looking for him (?) what would he do with the dragon anyway, it's not like he can ride it, can he? Hah Sansa: You'll be a good king, little brother... I think I'm with Tyrion. Ask me in 10 yrs
Jon's true bloodline becomes irrelevant after the entire show hanging on it
A few random lords tacked onto the final scene where they and the lords that matter end up going along with no agency whatsoever
Plus Yara laughs at democracy when her own fucking Iron Islander tradition is pretty damn similar
Dorne being completely irrelevant after Myrcella's death is just dumb and careless
The punchy faced Dornish prince, whoever he might be, just sat there and watched the whole thing, that's suspension of disbelief material for me, Dorne would've already claimed independence, as soon as news of Dany's devastation of King's Landing arrived.
Omnipresent tree boy asks for a master of whispers and doesn't know where the dragon is
Arya pointing out that Dany is a killer (great dialogue as usual)
Jon's "exile" could be undone the moment the unsullied set sail to Naath
And just a minor nitpick Brienne closing the book right after writing with fresh ink, yeah that'll look great when i dries out
I could on but even for that D&D standards that's a lot.
Such great comments. I love that everyone had completely different things they loved or hated.
I really don't mind how things ended up, but that last bit of the journey to that ending was atrocious. It's as if they got brand new writers for the last three episodes who had only general knowledge of what had happened earlier in the series. A thoughtful rewriting of those episodes could've led to a satisfying (but still bewildering) close to the series.
They could at least have (re)introduced the members of the council. The jump from dead Dany to that scene was inexcusable and what really soured me on the last ep.
And Nym is exactly right. That scene withDrogon trying to awaken Dany was easily the best scene in the episode. It ripped my heart out. I wish he had circled around after takeoff and burned Jon to a crisp. Just when he thinks he's safe.
Best visual was Dany with Drogon's wings unfurling. So stunning.
I don’t imagine we will see Yara again. Bran’s journey is done I think. I’m guessing he’s not going to warg a dragon now he’s so detached of the real Planetos world as 3ER. Would have been cool to see him Warging one against the NK but if he could not be bothered then, I don’t see him do it now. For the record I wanna know what’s with the Oldtown glass candle. I always wanted to know. 
loving your idea Bas.
I feel at peace. Weirdly enough that Bran still worries of Drogon. See if he can find him 
I was in tears when Drogon kept pushing Dany trying to get a reaction. And then the dragon out of all ON HIS OWN did the right thing. Maybe he should’ve ruled Westeros. 
. You know they had a vote, right? Cocks don't matter anymore. It's a vote! Could have been a queen. And even so, without a vote... there she is Sansa, Queen in the North! Plus what do you mean his heir. Jon would have been king of the Seven Kingdoms on the basis of his Targ blood the rightful king as a primogeniture. What is Bran have to do with Targaryens?