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Has anyone else read the sample chapters George released? They've gotten me very excited for Stannis' upcoming battle.


 Chapter(s)????  I must have missed one somewhere! 



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Warging. More of it. And Sansa finding out she can warg.

What will Sansa warg into?

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Just the Theon one in the back of my last book, read some that have been noted from other people at readings...has there been any more ?

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Cary Storm wrote:

Warging. More of it. And Sansa finding out she can warg.

What will Sansa warg into?


 I'm not certain GRRM has explored that although Lady was the perfect Direwolf for her. That guy has 

been holding out a lot of details from us furious



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YvyB - there are three more chapters, to my knowledge, that GRRM read from at various book signings etc. Arianne, Tyrion and Victarion. You should be able to find reports from people in attendance online. From what I could tell, Stannis' chapter still remains the most interesting, in terms of important new information. 

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All I have is ADWD and no extra chapter or preview. I'm aware of further writing but haven't looked
into it. I'm finishing up Dunk and Egg ( TMK ) # 3 but will do a re- read of the ASOIAF books. You lads
appear to be ahead of me with book 6, TWOW.

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WildSeed wrote:

All I have is ADWD and no extra chapter or preview. I'm aware of further writing but haven't looked
into it. I'm finishing up Dunk and Egg ( TMK ) # 3 but will do a re- read of the ASOIAF books. You lads
appear to be ahead of me with book 6, TWOW.


 Ah I've just read Hedge knight so far... I daren't buy another book just yet .... I've had 8 since July biggrin



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Who's counting ! Recycle or save to read again later. Aegon the Conch did say that a bound version

will be out soon with 4 Tales.



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Constantly reading them :0) No , I just mean I can justify the expense...

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I do fair lady. I only ordered The Mystery Knight yesterday although I've been craving it for months.

I keep a disciplined budget but my lifestyle is is rather simple.



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Macha wrote:

YvyB - there are three more chapters, to my knowledge, that GRRM read from at various book signings etc. Arianne, Tyrion and Victarion. You should be able to find reports from people in attendance online. From what I could tell, Stannis' chapter still remains the most interesting, in terms of important new information. 

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 The Arianne chapter also reveals that apparently

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idkk wrote:
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YvyB - there are three more chapters, to my knowledge, that GRRM read from at various book signings etc. Arianne, Tyrion and Victarion. You should be able to find reports from people in attendance online. From what I could tell, Stannis' chapter still remains the most interesting, in terms of important new information. 

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 The Arianne chapter also reveals that apparently

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 Welcome back, idkk, love the Avatar by the way.  Thanks for the heads up on Aegon. Only read the one about Reek, Stannis.



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Holy smokes! Haven't heard of the Arrienne one, wonder how Aegon managed to do that!

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Ugh...........Where are you guys finding these........xtras ?

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Wildseed, check here



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While I'm wholeheartedly interested in reading advance chapters, I have no interest in reading *about* advance chapters before reading them. So unless it's the Theon chapter... I will avoid reading those.



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Macha wrote:

Wildseed, check here


           Thanks Macha !



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Nameless and probably not significant. Those pages had me reeling , sorry and pissed , happy
and questioning. In one fail swoop, Cersei is now allowed to plot her revenge where she was
quite subdued by Kevan and the high septor / bishop. I could slap GRRM at the moment but
I took heed to Varys's words about her undoing herself and the chaos likely. His words made
perfect sense about Aegon but.....well.... I just don't know if he'll get there. Who though?
Dammit GRRM !!! When's the next book.



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Building upon Cary Storm's comment about Sansa warging...yes, why shouldn't she warg is she has the actual ability within her? It appears with the wildling wargers that they can warg into whatever they want, and even Bran warned into Hodor at a certain point. It would be cool if a smart Raven comes to her and she wargs into the raven, and then gets to see what's going on in the world outside of her current circumstance through the eyes of the raven. When she realizes that she has that power and knows that LF does not, she can begin to figure out that she will have to eliminate him somehow. A woman thinks Sansa will marry Robin Aryn so that when he dies SHE will have a claim to the Vale, then she can get rid of LF in a clever way (there are so many possibilities). Thus, she'd have the power and the claim to both the Vale and Winterfell. This stretches the succession through the male heir thing a little, but if Sansa can get the "security knights" around her to defend HER instead of LF, she'll be in the catbird seat. Pardon the pun. Or, if little Robin sticks around long enough to hit puberty, Sansa might see the strategic benefit to having an heir of his as quickly as possible to cement her claim to the Vale. Then she can "out" herself at some point as the heir to Winterfell and take the north back from the evil thieves who have taken it from her family.

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Imagine if Varys could warg...

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Um... I think he would become an ear on a roaming animal to listen as others speak unawares.
That guy is everything and more than I can imagine. The last pages (or so) of ADWD had my
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Yeah while reading through AFFC I was like damnit I miss Varys! the Kevan Lannister stabbing I was like hell yeah he's back! But I was saddened cause I like Kevan quite a bit.

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Aegon the Conqueror wrote:

Yeah while reading through AFFC I was like damnit I miss Varys! the Kevan Lannister stabbing I was like hell yeah he's back! But I was saddened cause I like Kevan quite a bit.


 My thoughts exactly.  His house is a mess, relatives hostage, kin dead, shitty brother, jeez.  Who were the children with Varys?



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WildSeed wrote:

Nameless and probably not significant. Those pages had me reeling , sorry and pissed , happy
and questioning. In one fail swoop, Cersei is now allowed to plot her revenge where she was
quite subdued by Kevan and the high septor / bishop. I could slap GRRM at the moment but
I took heed to Varys's words about her undoing herself and the chaos likely. His words made
perfect sense about Aegon but.....well.... I just don't know if he'll get there. Who though?
Dammit GRRM !!! When's the next book.



-- Edited by WildSeed on Sunday 2nd of September 2012 10:15:58 PM


 My thoughts, too.  I wish GRR would exercise or diet or something.  I'm so afraid the poor man will have a heart attack or stroke out or something, even before the next book.  Knock on the Godswood.



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I think Sansa's warging ability has been "amputated" when Ned killed Lady.
If I remember the books correctly, the children had bonded with their Wolves a little while before
they started getting their "warg dreams". Sansa never had a chance, and in all her pages I didnt see
any indication that any warging ability remains.

Jon, Robb, Arya all noticed the signs, but nothing seems to have attached as firmly as Bran.

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Sansa should warg into Robert Arryn. 



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And do what? Have a fit? The boy is pretty useless in all other aspects.smile



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Yeah while reading through AFFC I was like damnit I miss Varys! the Kevan Lannister stabbing I was like hell yeah he's back! But I was saddened cause I like Kevan quite a bit.


 My thoughts exactly.  His house is a mess, relatives hostage, kin dead, shitty brother, jeez.  Who were the children with Varys?


 The little birds trapped in the walls so they can overhear all the conversations.



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Now you have me thinking about my chickadees.

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A woman likes the way ya'll are thinking! If Varys is a secret warg, when he says his "Little Birds" he could really mean that HE has warged into birds that sit near conversations that he wants to hear. Sort of like Sam skin changing into a fly on True Blood. "Little Birds" could mean human or animal, so that would be a cool twist if Varys turned out to be a warg of some sort. Why not? He is very secretive and there is much not know about him. Also, a woman does not believe that it's implied anywhere when exactly a person becomes or shows signs of being a warg. Especially since so much magic that was written of in their histories seems to have died out when the previous last dragons died. Perhaps it could still happen for Sansa if she can find a "spirit animal" that would work with her. Perhaps the loss of Lady has delayed her showing signs of warging until a friendly spirit animal finds her. It would be cool if she was befriended by a talking Raven,

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@Mrs Hghar I like that theory and have seen it speculated elsewhere.
Rumor is that is how he got castrated, he warged into a husband to have relations with a woman he was attracted to and the husband found out and had him gelded as punishment.

Also, I love how Dany's story ended in ADWD, it is like GRRM had enough of the politics bullshit in Meereen and he whisks her back with the Dothraki and now with Drogon by her side.

I think she will finally say "fuck it!" and go West with her new Khalisaar.

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@Donal, MrsHghar
That seems a little far fetched to me, but maybe that's just my anti-warg side doing the talking.
When Varys told his story there was one detail that caught my eye. He says something like when they threw his little Varys into the fire, he thought he heard voices coming from the flames. Of course he might hide the reason he was gelded but to me it seemed that he genuinely believes he did nothing (major) to provoke it. I always took the voices to imply there was something special about Varys - remember Melisandre's saying - there is power in king's blood. Aemon thought the same. Maybe this ties to the 'Varys is a Blackfyre' theory somehow.

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I thought Varys was used by a dark magic? That's why he hates magic.... Have I imagined that...

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yes someone used his pillar and stones to call up demons.
In Africa witchdoctors do shit like that all the time!!!!!

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@Donal, MrsHghar
That seems a little far fetched to me, but maybe that's just my anti-warg side doing the talking.
When Varys told his story there was one detail that caught my eye. He says something like when they threw his little Varys into the fire, he thought he heard voices coming from the flames. Of course he might hide the reason he was gelded but to me it seemed that he genuinely believes he did nothing (major) to provoke it. I always took the voices to imply there was something special about Varys - remember Melisandre's saying - there is power in king's blood. Aemon thought the same. Maybe this ties to the 'Varys is a Blackfyre' theory somehow.


           I recall that vaquely and tucked a thought away to add to as the story unfolds. Varys is...... indeed.........

            interesting. Warging never crossed my mind but Blackfyre.......methinks......hmmmm.......



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yes someone used his pillar and stones to call up demons.
In Africa witchdoctors do shit like that all the time!!!!!


         Be nice ! The king may not always do as he likes, at least to Mrs H'ghar furiousblankstaresmilebiggrin



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A woman likes the way ya'll are thinking! If Varys is a secret warg, when he says his "Little Birds" he could really mean that HE has warged into birds that sit near conversations that he wants to hear. Sort of like Sam skin changing into a fly on True Blood. "Little Birds" could mean human or animal, so that would be a cool twist if Varys turned out to be a warg of some sort. Why not? He is very secretive and there is much not know about him. Also, a woman does not believe that it's implied anywhere when exactly a person becomes or shows signs of being a warg. Especially since so much magic that was written of in their histories seems to have died out when the previous last dragons died. Perhaps it could still happen for Sansa if she can find a "spirit animal" that would work with her. Perhaps the loss of Lady has delayed her showing signs of warging until a friendly spirit animal finds her. It would be cool if she was befriended by a talking Raven,

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Cary Storm wrote:

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 Yes, but would he know where to put it!smile



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Well I am convinced that there will be redemption for Jaime in some sort of death in Winds. After he kills Cercei of course. Melisandrei will save Jon. And this will happen quite quickly. Within the first 10 chapters.
Without Kevan Lannister KL is going to fall to pieces. The High Septon will take control of the city. Winds is going to be action packed. I bet it will be he best work since ASOS.



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I also think the final two will be GRRM's Coup de Grace, I wonder if Tyrion will kill Jaime in battle like he did in his dream in ADWD.

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I also think the final two will be GRRM's Coup de Grace, I wonder if Tyrion will kill Jaime in battle like he did in his dream in ADWD.


 I know that this is going to come to pass somehow. Battle or Single Combat. But rest assured it will happen. I beleive that is the only way the Imp controls Casterly Rock.



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There's no need for that to happen, actually. Jaime has no right to Casterly Rock, nor he desires it.

Plus, I don't really think Jaime and Tyrion, if they ever meet again, will be at odds. That was the way they parted but I get the feeling they both miss each other, or Tyrion does at least. They cared very much for each other, there is no way one would ever hurt the other, IMHO.

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Well there was the reference to the two faces, one smiling when he dies, the other weeping.

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The real question for me is Arya. Is she going to return to Westeros?, If so where? And in what manner? Her unfolding story is engrossing. And what of the gigantic wolf pack? Why do I feel that The Twins are going to have visitors from that huge hungry pack this winter?



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Arya is a wildcard for sure. Her final chapter left me with the impression that she'll change her face to a beautiful girl/woman, which for me only increases the chances that she'll end up to be a perfect killing machine and forget her identity as Arya. I see no good things for her, and I believe she and Benjen are the only Starks that'll kick the bucket by the end of the series. She'll die as a Stark though, and in Westeros. The question is how will she get there? A killing job sounds the most plausible at this point but who'll be the target? Because I somehow doubt the Kindly Man will trust her *that* much after such a short while to give her a major name to kill. If GRRM went for that 5 years leap, it would have been different but now..I have no idea.

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I think she might get sent to Westeros on a mission, but while there track down and kill everyone that is still left on here list. Cersei better quiver!

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And what of the gigantic wolf pack? Why do I feel that The Twins are going to have visitors from that huge hungry pack this winter?

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 One can only hope!bleh Freylor Morghulis.



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For whoever's interested in a summary of two Barristan chapters from TWOW, linky here.

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"Here, let me read you something new (that I wrote in 2006). "

Terry Pratchett writes more than GRRM and he's got Alzheimer's.

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Since AFFC the monkeys are writing... that could be an answer. I think the monkey responsible for Barristan and Ariane´s chapters is the green one.

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