I've spoken to George a lot in the process. The biggest issues we have are continuity questions. There are things about this story that only he knows, and they aren't all obvious. There was one scene I had to rework because there's a particular line of dialog -- and you wouldn't know it to look at -- that's important in the last scene of "A Dream of Spring.
Ideas for the line in question and/or for the last scene in ADoS, GO!
The last screen in A Dream of Spring will be of Jon Snow, the prince that what promised, the king of all men. He will have brought balance after the clash between Ice and Fire. The question I have is who will be left alive?
My - I am very much convinced that it has to be Bran's scene. Not only it's cyclical, Bran having the first POV in AGoT, but for me Bran's fall was always the catalyst for this series. In a way, if I could pick just one character as a somewhat central figure of the books, it's Bran. I've always felt this was *his* story, so to speak, even if he doesn't do that much and is separated from the rest. And he's got the supernatural powers going on for him, more so than any other character.
I'll have to look over the comic book again tho, with him in mind.
I get the Bran thing. He is the most powerful warg and Stark. But I believe that they are on one side of the battle. If R+L=JS then his are the mediclorians I would count. He will be able to control multiple Dragons, both of Ice and Fire.
The problem that I see with Jon being able to control dragons is that there really is no textual evidence for it. Let's assume his father is indeed Rhaegar. Would that mean he could control Dany's dragons just like that? From what we know so far, they only answer to her....though possibly the Dragon horn that Victarion carries could make a difference. I understand where this is all coming from, three heads has the dragon etc. And there are many theories out there speculating on who will ride Dany's dragons apart from her, I know. However Jon seems a bit unlikely to me. Maybe it's because I feel it's too much. He's Lord Commander, he's a warg, he's got a badass wolf and an annoying raven. He's a bastard yet he's the son of a prince. He won't stay dead (presumably) after an assassination a la Caesar. Seriously, if he'll end up riding a dragon he'll be such a walking cliche I'll just have to burn my books. Hah! I always wanted to sound like a rabid, angry fan. Hear that, GRRM? You've got trouble, big man.
I'm actually convinced there's a hidden meaning in what the bird says. I equate the bird with Patchface. In meaning and annoyance. I wish someone put together everything the crow says in order to analyse it. Given what we know about warged crows and the spirits within them, I think there's much more than meets the eye.
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When I did my re-read I payed attention to that damned bird. I agree some of it may be a hidden meaning for something but I couldn't find anything coherent, except for the part in ADWD (don't remember which chapter) where he says "King!" over and over again to Jon. Ugh.
Found it! Westeros has one! Here. It'll take me some time to go through that thread, but it seems written in a funnily enough way so I'll give it a go. Seems very interesting.
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“Fear is a strange soil. It grows obedience like corn, which grow in straight lines to make weeding easier. But sometimes it grows the potatoes of defiance, which flourish underground.”
I don't think he has much to say that is important, elsewise they would've included him in the show. His most important moment is after Jon is proclaimed Lord Commander and the bird flies to him and proclaims Snow!
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I get the Bran thing. He is the most powerful warg and Stark. But I believe that they are on one side of the battle. If R+L=JS then his are the mediclorians I would count. He will be able to control multiple Dragons, both of Ice and Fire.
Love the SW reference.
I agree with the R+L = J. I also think Jon would make a wonderful king. But, with regard to Bran, he is referred to as "prince" by the Reeds. Could be prince of many things, and many people. Have not figured that one yet, however, am concerned about too much warging and how many wargs that die in their host forms. Only Martin knows.
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Rhaegar, despite wounding Robert, was struck down with a massive blow from Robert's warhammer, which scattered the rubies encrusted in Rhaegar's armor under the water. Rhaegar died with Lyanna Stark's name on his lips.
I don't think being in the show is a mark of wether what the crow says is relevant or not, given the show has consciously decided to shy away from prophecy.
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“Fear is a strange soil. It grows obedience like corn, which grow in straight lines to make weeding easier. But sometimes it grows the potatoes of defiance, which flourish underground.”
Found it! Westeros has one! Here. It'll take me some time to go through that thread, but it seems written in a funnily enough way so I'll give it a go. Seems very interesting.
From that thread: "The bird never says R+L=J,btw. "
Bahahahahaha!
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Rhaegar, despite wounding Robert, was struck down with a massive blow from Robert's warhammer, which scattered the rubies encrusted in Rhaegar's armor under the water. Rhaegar died with Lyanna Stark's name on his lips.
Last scene:
A dragon stirs on a field of ashes, the husks of long fallen constructs rear against a leaden sky, permanently overcast since the first valyrian volcano madeits cataclismic return to activity, the signs of the aftermath of a huge battle where every, most of the corpses permanently preserved by the ash.
The armies of the lightbringer and the mother of dragons caught midway in what now seemed like an ethernal struggle against congealed puddles of what used to be the white walkers, their fallen arbone allies scattered almost randomly in the field, caught in a sudden failure of once so reliable technology, that had so far given the upperhand in the struggle to the minions of the lord of darkness. These forces had been on retreat until the arrivall of the newcomers, what once had look like a meteor shower was actually an invasion force of a new and intriguing people, fleeing from an even greater force. The flight turned to be a hopeless effort, because on this day of battle, only months after their aliance with the forces of darkness their ancient foe reached this planet following their trail.
At the command deck of the flagship the leaders of the fleet decid the fate of millions of lives:
- So after all these years of pursuit, shall we finally reach a conclusion Sir?
- Well, at this point im willing to conform to the conclusion i get, even though is not conclusion any of us wanted when we started.
- Is there any way to salvage anything from this mess?
- At this point theres really no way to distinguish the good from the filler, the unecessary and misleading hangs on.
-So the whole thing has to go then. Shall we nuke it from orbit and finish what the volcanos started?
- It's the only way to be sure.
Meanwhile at the Wall...
Your favorite characters will return in the next installment if ASOIAF, the second to last book in the series- this time featuring: Jon, Aeron, Areo, Brienne and most importantly the new POV of Loras filled with on screen gay sex just like you were asking for. I promise, I'll be done by next year (2034)- this time it's different I swear!
"I´d not prolongued the chewing up, Doc. Nor the being spat out. Not go out a cunt. It´s the dispatch I find inglorious. The whole delusory fucking self importance.". Al Swedgin ;).
Well, this is interesting. I don't know if anyone remembers, but just before episode 9 came out (season 4), people were talking about how the epsiode would end (if we would see Stannis) over at WiC.net. Then some person (who knows who they were or what they know) said that we should all pay close attention to the way the episode ends (Jon walking out of the gate towards Mance's camp) and saying goodbye to Sam, because that is the way the series will end. Then that person dissappeared. I found that interesting. It would be extremely fitting imo if Jon denied the Iron Throne and instead went out to confront the Night's King, or whoever as an ending or epilogue to the series.
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I think the last scene will be total Justice. Fire will battle Ice and cause an uninhabitable cataclysmic event. All life on Westeros will be wiped out. And then The Dragon Demands will ascend the Throne and rule over absolutely nothing.
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