No, I agree with everything you said about the movie from an artistic point of view, it was extremely poor. I only asked about it because I wanted to know your opinion on its authenticity. It stayed with me because I haven't seen many films about Argentina on that particular subject, so it had its impact. But the ending was horrible, it seemed fake and just thrown in there.
When it comes to movies depicting historical content ( disguised as drama ), I decide to watch only depending on the director involved in the project. There's always a bias, and I really don't want to walk out in disgust. Hollywood does well with some films based on historical footnote, I usually don't mind ( say a one person perspective ), but I draw the line at " docudramas ". I deplore historical inaccuracy, and I will usually dismiss without question, any film depicting the African enslavement in US /American colonies. This will never be entertainment for me. For most of my loose acquaintances and friends, the outrage and dismissal of the projects mirror mine own values. It hurts to see some of this onscreen, the impact of the subject matter is unspeakable. I typically watch movies to be entertained ( LOL or intrigued ), it has to be worth my precious time to sit through it.
When Sting recorded Le Querca Solo, I cried with each listen. My mom said this reminded her of the Ton Ton Macoute ( in Haiti ).
On the subject of reading any historical document, there is rarely an unbiased account. There have been dedicated monasteries and misc individuals dedicated to recording an accurate description. However when a generation passes, who resumes the work and by what new mandate ? There may only exist a narrative or version of the original work. I can't help but remember maester Aeron and Samwell in the musty Castle Black book suppository, or the professors at the Citadel. Even with noble intent, the current political climate could enforce actions or influence some to take sides. It's all reflected in the document. Leave out a word, a letter, change or revise the meaning. I can't imagine how messed up caricatures and hieroglyphs would be with the imposed omissions.
Recorded history will never be an accurate account, but it is very possible to record what is true. This may be a balance of true events and/or actions, but omissions and additions are not unlikely. For all things, it comes down to considering the source from which it came. Until we find actual scientifically proven archives, theorists will piece together a composite of sorts. We need to keep separate the heads of state or empires, far away from the record keepers. Imagine Chinese Dynasties or Inca or African histories, wiped out by the current reigning Dynasty or king. When there was political occupation, or conquering powers, the replacement or reappropriation of saints and governing statures become obsolete. It's utterly sad that many native people ( Africa, the Americas, Asia and throughout E&W Europe ) have their histories suppressed or relics destroyed. I respond as if were an abomination, future generations bereft of their forebearers to celebrate and revere. To better understand one's future, one has to know the past. Acknowledging mistakes make for a solid path moving forward. This way, no matter the successors in high office, the populace does remain ignorant ( if it is so, it will be of their own choosing ).
Documentaries ( film and written ) and well respected historians are out there. These will rarely romanticize the atrocities and historical events, although some do maester an astute character at the attempt. There are a few I'd urge to read : Mary Beard ( Greek & Roman mythology & Classic European) / Adam Nicholson as an honorable mention ( try reading " God's Secretaries " ) / Karen Armstrong , for all things pertaining to religion and the crusades. Her specialty is Islam, I am forever indebted to her for her accurate research and personal convictions / Albert Einstein, Issac Asimov and Rosalind Franklin. There are so many more, my brain is overwhelmed.
I am content that I left (my once best subject) history as a career pursuit behind, replacing it with science. At least scientific research must be reproducible in order to be found accurate. Even if fools rush ahead, the research reveals an unbiased history of the project data.
Sorry for the long post. This will be the last one of the sort.
Has anyone seen this or read the books? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EAqu28Dd-M&feature=related I've watched the film and I quite enjoyed it, but I believe the books are far superior, if only I can find them.
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Thomas Jefferson. Brilliant, inventive, always relied on primary sources in their original language, an exceptional man in an exceptional time. I've read thousands of his letters and writings, and no man impresses me more. I could go on, but I'll spare you. Oh, except was Jefferson in John Adams (a sadly inaccurate mini-series, but enjoyable nonetheless).
till what year Prof. Aegon? Do we have limits? could be till 1942?
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"I´d not prolongued the chewing up, Doc. Nor the being spat out. Not go out a cunt. It´s the dispatch I find inglorious. The whole delusory fucking self importance.". Al Swedgin ;).
Hmm, there are many options for me here but since we talked about rulers earlier, I'll do with Henri IV of France. Tolerant than most, concerned with his people, intelligent and charming. He got shit done. Pretty sexy too, judging by his portraits. My kind of man.
Worldwide would be: Simone Weil, french philosopher and WWII activist (?). This is to big a woman to sum up in a few words. Maybe later. And from Argentina it´s quite easy: Manuel Belgrano... he was our T. Jefferson maybe. Have to check my facts. S.XVIII here, a lawyer, one of our heroes from May Revolution (the beginning of our independence from Spain). A great man. He used to stand on a small bench at the Plaza de Mayo (center of Buenos Aires) and read aloud, for all people, the Social Contract by Rousseau. A very smart and very brave man.
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"I´d not prolongued the chewing up, Doc. Nor the being spat out. Not go out a cunt. It´s the dispatch I find inglorious. The whole delusory fucking self importance.". Al Swedgin ;).
well Atreyu, I thought that three people was a historic abuse so I left Ernesto out.
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"I´d not prolongued the chewing up, Doc. Nor the being spat out. Not go out a cunt. It´s the dispatch I find inglorious. The whole delusory fucking self importance.". Al Swedgin ;).
Hmm, there are many options for me here but since we talked about rulers earlier, I'll do with Henri IV of France. Tolerant than most, concerned with his people, intelligent and charming. He got shit done. Pretty sexy too, judging by his portraits. My kind of man.
Stop warging me Macha!!! I'm a big admirer of Henri IV of France. Have you read that apparently they found his head?
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On the face of it, Che really has a romantic story: tragic character with ideals. But, when you get down to it, he killed people, and not in the abstract. I'm not sure how to feel about him. Always looking for input.
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As soon as those cameras are off I am going to fuck that little dog.
On the face of it, Che really has a romantic story: tragic character with ideals. But, when you get down to it, he killed people, and not in the abstract. I'm not sure how to feel about him. Always looking for input.
I don´t know if there is a famous figure in history that has not killed or sent to kill people. It´s a huge debate. What to do when you have ideals and you have togive upsome of them forthe good of others? Judging him (or anyone else) only for that is not exactly fair but I know what you mean tho.
I chose Simone Weil, shedid not kill anyoneand tried todo brave things her whole life. But Belgrano did and he probably sent to kill too.
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"I´d not prolongued the chewing up, Doc. Nor the being spat out. Not go out a cunt. It´s the dispatch I find inglorious. The whole delusory fucking self importance.". Al Swedgin ;).
Stop warging me Macha!!! I'm a big admirer of Henri IV of France. Have you read that apparently they found his head?
Yes! Hahaha, I remember they had a funeral at Saint Denis a while back. They confirmed it to be his after carbon dating and because it had his scars and the mark from his earring (sassy dude!). Poor Headless Henri...
I kept quite for a reason. Mine is the person that was part of the story that launched my love of History. Before I say anyone ever read or seen the Horrible Histories Series? I started reading Asterix and Obelix when I was four. I begged my mom and dad to buy me as many of the books as they could get their hands on. I devoured them all (Tintin soon followed, but that's off topic). I spent many an hour in the backyard, making a berry and cooldrink brew in a pot, drinking the vile liquid and pretending I'm an indomitable Gaul. But what really fascinated me was the man who inspired so much fear in the other Gauls. Julius Caesar, I mean who was he? So one history book led to the next, each one more complicated and detailed than the last. Age of Empires came out not too long after than and sure enough I was hooked on history. But I never forgot the man! He's probably the most talented human being in history, a skilled soldier, a master general and tactician, someone who inspired royalty and could play the Game of Thrones with the best of them, a skilled writer and poet, orator and statesmen. A champion of the people. One that had such charisma, such power of personality that when he died he was hailed as a god in human form. He's my favourite, a man who knew what had to be done and wasn't scared to do it. I would kill to see a film in which Charles Dance plays Caesar!
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I knew it, I knew it! Funny thing is that we're used to see a rather "regal" Caesar on screen but if you look at his descriptions, he wasn't exactly that. But I love the man too, sneaky bastard that he was. And I need no excuse to post this.
I kept quite for a reason. Mine is the person that was part of the story that launched my love of History. Before I say anyone ever read or seen the Horrible Histories Series?
Yes my youngest has them all I believe and is forever quoting ... did you know? Then I'll say not according to QI !
I also collected all 80 issues when I was a kid. I recently found out about the series. I am so gonna watch it! Yeah Macha Caesar was a real man's man, not afraid to get his hands dirty or to get stuck in! That's why his men loved him so much. Two of my favourite stories of the man. When he had just turned 30, he saw a statue of Alexander the Great, he left weeping, cause at 30 Alexander had conquered the known world, yet Caesar had not done anything of note yet. I feel and respect that. Secondly when he was taken prisoner by Pirates, he read them some of his poetry, they laughed at his posh ways. He told them as soon as they ransomed him back, he would come for them and crucify them all. They didn't believe him. A little while later they were all hanging from crosses.
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was Jefferson in John Adams (a sadly inaccurate mini-series, but enjoyable nonetheless).
