Am I the only one who thought it was strange that Bronn would be knighted for his contribution at the Battle of Blackwater while Tyrion is entirely ignored? I guess I should know better. In any case, I was surprised that Bronn got recognition for his role in the fight. I immensely enjoy the brother scene. Not just because Bronn was shirtless, even though that helped. I liked his genuine annoyance at Tyrion. So far he's been awfully attentive to Tyrion, even when he's being a bad sport about it (like the fingernail cleaning scene). This felt more real...like they're actually trying to develop Bronn's character this season. We can hope! Yup, Bronn is a badass, and I enjoy him immensely. He has Tyrion's snarkiness and Jaime's swagger. So let's all hope for a lot more Bronn this season.
Poor darling Tyrion is getting it from all sides this episode. He's feeling paranoid, unloved and unappreciated. He gets hit up for a raise by an ungrateful Bronn, then he gets ground under his father's boot heel. It seems like everyone but Shae has turned on him.
I already mentioned that I didn't care for the scene with Cersei. It didn't add anything to the episode for me. It felt like a retread. The scene needed to be much more clever and have more content to be appropriate, as far as I'm concerned.
The scene between Tywin and Tyrion was brilliant. The acting was great. I was thrilled that Tyrion was finally asserting himself. He kept the sarcasm to a minimum. It was as though he was speaking to his father honestly and without fear for the first time in his life. I was so proud!
Tywin's response seemed out of character. I know some book readers have said it's in keeping with the book version of Tywin, but as a non-reader, it felt wrong. This was not the same man trying to guide Jaime in his tough love sort of way in Season 1. And it wasn't the man who named Tyrion as acting hand in Season 2. It's not at all surprising that Tywin wouldn't want Tyrion to rule Casterly Rock. And I certainly wouldn't expect him to welcome Tyrion with open arms. But his reaction seemed over the top. Blaming his wife's death on Tyrion, the comment about doing nothing but wasting time with whores and thieves, the total refusal to acknowledge Tyrion's contributions to the defense of the city. It was too disingenuous for me. Yes, he's cruel and emotionally distant, but his reaction was more than that. The Tywin I have come to know the last two seasons is shrewd, realistic and practical. All of that was missing in his reaction. It was a reaction I would have expected of Cersei, not Tywin. I liked the comment about being consumed by maggots though. And superbly acted, of course. As I said, I loved the scene, but this struck me as wrong.
The only rationale I can think of for Tywin's reaction to Tyrion's demands is that he sees the confidence and lack of fear in Tyrion and he feels the need to utterly destroy Tyrion's sense of self-worth by saying whatever he believes will be most effective. He's using scorched earth tactics on his son to get him back in line. I don't know if that makes sense.
I still have the same nagging question I did after the finale of last Season about Tywin. Why did he take up his position as hand of the king now, in the midst of losing a war against Robb Stark? It doesn't make sense to me that he would still be in King's Landing. He should have turned right around after winning the Battle of Blackwater and headed back to Harrenhall. He's made it clear that his generals are incompetent. His son is still a prisoner of Robb Stark, as far as Tywin knows. Robb Stark's forces have the ability to take Casterly Rock. It just doesn't make sense that he would take over when Tyrion was doing an acceptable job. And he knows perfectly well what Tyrion accomplished as hand...after all, they understood enough about what happened during the battle to knight Bronn. So I'm at a loss to explain it. I had hoped they would explain it this episode... no such luck.
@Ry - I think they show Sam with the raven cages in S2 when they're reaching Craster, but I could be wrong. Anyway, it's clear they should have included a little reminder if so many people commented on that scene.
@BaS - Dany is not crossing the Narrow Sea, she's in Slaver's Bay, which is still a long way from Westeros. See here.
Also, the Lannisters are't exactly losing the war just yet, just because they have abandoned Harrenhall. When they reach Harrenhall, Robb says something along the lines of "The men are itching for a fight...I don't think we'll get one this time either". The Lannisters keep running from them, hence the frustration. There is no immediate danger for Tywin or Casterly Rock just yet, because he found another tactic to keep the Starks busy while still being able to act as Hand - which was what he wanted all along. Tyrion was just filling his place momentarily. And even though many people were knighted after Blackwater, the city would have probably fallen if not for Tywin and the Tyrells, so I dont think Tywin gives a damn about Tyrion's defense of the city. He's too blinded by hatred anyway.
@ BaS The trouble with Bronn Basi , is he's supposed to have been knighted to remove him from Tyrion. But they obviously like the actor and have kept him . Which is why it doesn't make sense .He should be long gone. So the whole speech about sell sword was silly too. Shit I need to get to work
@Macha, I based my opinion of what was going on with the Starks vs. the Lannisters on Tywin's summary of the situation in Episode 208. Tywin made it sound pretty dire, and he didn't seem pleased to be leaving Harrenhall in the hands of the Mountain. And all of Tywin's talk about his legacy being determined by the outcome of the war reinforced that for me as his priority. Yes, he needed to save the city, but it seems strange that he would rather be dealing with the minutiae of being hand of the king right now when there's a war to be won.
Thanks for the clarification on Dany's position. I'm still not sure how she intends to gather a khalasar, but it's certainly easier if she does it before crossing the narrow sea. Maybe she intends to raze and plunder Qarth with her Unsullied? That would be the show of strength she needs to impress the Dothraki. I'm not clear on how Dany intends to pay for her Unsullied. Jorah stated that the gold they plundered from Doxos' estate would be enough to buy a ship, not an army. In any case, it'll be interesting to see how things play out in the coming episodes for Dany.
@Yvy, why would Bronn be long gone just because he's a knight? Unless being knighted comes with a substantial income, in which case Bronn shouldn't have left the whorehouse. I would think that being removed as commander of the gold cloaks would give him more reason to stick with Tyrion, not less. Bronn doesn't strike me as a guy who's happy sitting around doing nothing. But I didn't realize that Bronn was gone at this point in the books, so I'm glad they've kept him around.
I really like your observations BaSi, and from reading them there are still holes in the show that I as a bookreader automatically fill up but leaves a non-bookreader with "this makes no sense" questions. I will just leave you to all your questions or I'll be spoiling the shit out of you.
I did find the tree-trunks hilarious. Another one of those puns by the showrunners: "Yeah we can't show you guys any trees here in Iceland, but look here's a tree-trunk for you wankers."
Yes, he needed to save the city, but it seems strange that he would rather be dealing with the minutiae of being hand of the king right now when there's a war to be won.
I don't want to say much here about my impressions on the show because they're inescapably colored by the book. Loving to read Bas's take on it,
I think from Tywin's point of view the winning of the war is just a matter of time now. Stannis is out of the game, so is Renly, he doubled the size of his army by the incorporation of Tyrells et al... So Robb looks increasingly more like a nuisance that needs to be dealt with than a serious thread to his grandson's life/reign that you need to defend against with all your might.
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Yes, he needed to save the city, but it seems strange that he would rather be dealing with the minutiae of being hand of the king right now when there's a war to be won.
I think from Tywin's point of view the winning of the war is just a matter of time now. Stannis is out of the game, so is Renly, he doubled the size of his army by the incorporation of Tyrells et al... So Robb looks increasingly more like a nuisance that needs to be dealt with than a serious thread to his grandson's life/reign that you need to defend against with all your might.
You know, that does make sense. I hadn't really thought of it from that perspective. The most daunting challenge was the Baratheons. Of course, it's not really clear to me at this point how much of Stannis' army is left. If he's not really a threat, then Tywin's life is much simpler. But then again, wouldn't it be more in keeping with Tywin's character for him to take those overwhelming troop numbers and completely demolish the Stark forces? Meh, who knows.
@Japie...yes leave me with my questions. They're rhetorical anyway. I'm glad you're enjoying my confusion. You too Tir! I wasn't sure if I was writing way, way too much.
So yeah, tonight I'll finish up with Stannis/Mel/Davos. What a mess they are!
Did the set people not say as much ... about the trees I mean ... they used mammoth tusks and ribs and stuff for the tents and maybe they carry the trunks of wood with them ... from wherever .
Two other scenes impressed me, one was Davos' rescue from the little Island and the moment where he had to declare his allegiance - whoah, you could see the torment and the fear on Liam Cunningham's face, and then his determination to remain loyal until the very end. Such powerful acting.
This was really good acting. I was just so excited to see Davos! I didn't see how he could be alive. I did have one problem with the scene (other than Cary's bubble bursting over the shirtlessness). Davos says he's captain of a ship from the battle, so why do they ask which king? Only one king had ships in Blackwater Bay during the battle. So that doesn't make sense, but it was a wonderful opportunity for Davos to double down on his loyalty for Stannis. And I was sad to see his fingers gone from around his neck. He must feel naked without them.
See, that scene they copied literally from the book except they forgot that they had omitted the Lannister-ships from the books. Great observation again.
One thing I'm really grateful for is that they're introducing new characters gradually this season. Last year, having all of Stannis' Dragonstone folks as new on top of all the other new characters almost all at once was a bit much. Of course, it's only the first episode so they might make my head spin yet... And I'm glad they broke up the characters between the first two episodes instead of trying to show us everyone in the first. I appreciate the longer scenes in fewer locales.
-- Edited by Black as Snow on Wednesday 3rd of April 2013 09:51:44 PM
Okay, so before I discuss Dragonstone stuff, I just wanna say: SALADOR! I don't know why they didn't put him in Blackwater last season, even if only for 30 seconds. So I was glad to see him. I was disappointed that he didn't mention Cersei among the plunder he lost out on. I just hope we get to see more of Salador this season. Salador was terrific in his scene, and provided excellent exposition about what's happening at Dragonstone. I wasn't at all sure whether what he said about Dragonstone was true or just crazy rumors that inflame Davos. His "servants of darkness" comment seemed so over the top. lol. Apparently not though.
Dragonstone is very cool. The castle looks austere and severe, and perfectly fitting for Stannis. The interior of Dragonstone, or at least the room where Melisandre and Stannis are in this episode, is also spartan and functional. I don't know how much of the design came from the books, but in any case, it's a well-conceived environment for Stannis.
The dynamic between Melisandre and Stannis has changed. Stannis is hollow-eyed, understated and seemingly apathetic (I only say seemingly because of that photoset Macha posted. lol). And, tellingly, when Davos mentions the burning of dissenters or prisoners, Stannis begins to stand up and respond, but as soon as Mel begins to speak, he sinks back into his chair. He defers to her. And I couldn't tell if it was because he didn't care or because he has ceded control to Mel. Either way, he seems to have deliberately abdicated decision-making on day-to-day matters to Mel. It made me think of the Mountain being in charge of Harrenhall when Arya and company are first brought there and the senseless atrocities that ensued. Except Stannis is right there, unlike Tywin. But is he more in control than he seems? It's too early to say. In any case, it's a fabulous scene.
Mel is such a clever girl. She has used the loss at Blackwater Bay to solidify her control over Stannis. So would she really have been able to protect anyone from the wildfire? There's no telling. And she pushed Davos' buttons so perfectly, getting him upset enough to play his hand while remaining aloof and composed. She gets rid of the biggest threat to her influence over Stannis far too easily.
Poor Davos...making the same mistake as Ned Stark. He made his intentions clear instead of using cunning to get rid of Mel. I know he's emotionally raw, and that has totally screwed him. My guess though is that, just as Ned did, Davos will get visitors to his cell. Except unlike Ned, his visitors will be others who seek to get rid of Mel and/or get through to Stannis.
It'll be interesting how the dynamic between Mel and Stannis evolves. Has Stannis really so apathetic that he's allowing Mel to act unchecked? Will he snap out of it before Davos is burned? It'll be interesting to see what alliances Davos is able to make. I don't know what will happen, but I know we're looking at a pretty kickass season in Dragonstone.