so, they won´t cast Belwas , I guess it´s the only thing I´ll miss from the whole Arstan Whitebeard thing. And, lol, please remind me if Stannis put Onion in prison in the books because no memory.
I know you remember the scene between and in the books. Did said that line about the dead mother? I won´t read the books again so if someone is good and pretty and tell me, please.
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Okay, the hotel did NOT have high definition TV. But it did air it at 6PM instead of 9PM, which I didn't realize until I turned on HBO and watched the final scene where Barristan reveals himself. Luckily it started again at 7PM! :) I can always download the HD one and watch it tomorrow.
went right to prison, did not pass Stannis. I do remember a scene between and like this.
Now what an interesting thing about I was actually quite pleased about that. I didn't think about the fact that she came from Winterfell, and seems to have a warm place in her heart for the Starks. It will be very interesting to see how this develops.
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went right to prison, did not pass Stannis. I do remember a scene between and like this.
Now what an interesting thing about
So didn´t know that was in prison. Hmmmm. I´m interested about the dialogue between and , everybody is saying they loved that scene but what Tywin said about the mother didn´t sound very to me.
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Where's BELWAS. Episode was fantastic but the end with Selmy was really poorly done, could even have been good without Belwas but this was just... rushed.
Some more thoughts: no Sam the Slayer, fine by me, Ghost was awesome. Thormund was quite serious huh? Hope that was just this episode. Qyburn, wtf? I guess Roose Bolton will send him along with Jaime, but will this mean Jaime loses his hand in Harrenhal?
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The scene with Tyrion and Tywin is almost entirely taken from the books, but I can't vouch for that particular line. The scene was good, though I expected better. I lay this on Minahan though, he does "quiet" very well, but I personally think these scene required more than that. It should have been more intense IMO. Ros and Shae - heeeey, that scene was actually OK! Haha, I'm actually surprised. That shot of Sansa at the end seemed so ominous, considering her future storyline. I didn't like Barristan's reveal, that whole scene seemed messy to me for some reason. But hihihi Jorah's look. I wonder when is Barristan going to spill the beans about him. And there was no kiss on the fucking ship, I am going to murder someone. Qyburn!!! Fancy meeting you here. I'm curious to see if they'll give him a motivation for what he does and his usual creepy self, it seemed that way. What else was changed? Ghost, where was he in the books at this point? With Jon? I don't remember, that mutt just wanders off to many times. Did we see Burn Gorman? So, about Sam, refresh my lousy memory. They reach Craster, the Old Bear dies , he takes Gilly and then the WW attacks them somewhere on the road? I cant remember how it all went down in the books. When Coldhands saves them hey were just being attacked by wights, right?
LOL, Jap, I linked to that same gifset on the meme thread. Isn't it glorious? Saw some scenes again and I have to say, Selmy's reveal must be the crappiest edited scene in the entire series.
Lol, I am still laughing about it. Sooooooo good. The Selmy-scene was the second worst edited scene, remember Arya's first kill (the stableboy?). That is handsdown still the worst piece of the show to date.
I loved how completely bewildered he was at her charity....she does exactly the opposite what Cersei does....Bizarro Cersei...and I love how it pisses off the queen regent.
I think Margaery is simply playing the nice queen, we already know she is very abitious. She just uses different means.
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The scene with Tyrion and Tywin is almost entirely taken from the books, but I can't vouch for that particular line. The scene was good, though I expected better.
How could that scene have been ANY better? It was nailed, and Tyrion actually listed the things he did. I don't recall him doing so in the books, but I might be wrong.
Ser Barristan scene was condensed, but did not feel rushed to me, and damn if that scorpion didn't look freaky as hell!
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Yes but the crapping on the ground and a whole city swinging their dicks in front of his nose and pissing of that wall was probably the best scene of the book. I remember when HBO bought the rights I was all like: "OMG yes Belwas fight where he wipes his ass with the heroes mantle coming to my screen in about 5 years!" (wait a minute, this doesn't sound entirely sane)
Well, the books are huge, thousands of characters some will be missed more than others. And while that bit was clever, I don't see a need for a character *just* for that bit. I understand why he is cut.
My screename is from my fave bit character, and while I am sad he will probably not make it, I see why it has to be.
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How could that scene have been ANY better? It was nailed, and Tyrion actually listed the things he did. I don't recall him doing so in the books, but I might be wrong.
It was very good, I guess I expected something different from Charles Dance, the delivery seemed a bit too...even? LOL, I must be nitpicking if I say something bad about Charles Dance, who's splendid. I would have liked some close-ups, or some variations in his speech, or for the scene to be edited differently. I can't put my finger on it and it's not something major in any way. The writing was good, I think I just expected to see even more spite and cruelty coming from him, strictly on a visual level.
Macha wrote: I guess I expected something different from Charles Dance, the delivery seemed a bit too...even? LOL, I must be nitpicking if I say something bad about Charles Dance, who's splendid. I would have liked some close-ups, or some variations in his speech, or for the scene to be edited differently. I can't put my finger on it and it's not something major in any way. The writing was good, I think I just expected to see even more spite and cruelty coming from him, strictly on a visual level.
something similar happened to me but I do think it was the writing, especially what Tywin said about Tyrion´s mother. There were close ups Macha, but Tyrion´s mostly and I guess what Tywin said (which is not Tywin´s style imo) in that scene was for Tyrion to pile up shit (lol) against his father for you know, the shit scene. I don´t like it but it´s useful. I mean, we all know already that Tywin is probably the only character that could really get under his son´s skin, but he seemed too...exposed.
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Hmmm, do we know Marg was genuine tho? I think I'm starting to get behind the show's notion of Margaery. I especially liked the way Joffrey is obviously attracted to her. Some great acting there from Gleeson, but I've said that already. Dormer is not all bad this season either, but could be too early to tell.
Darquemode posted the episode extras on SpoilerTV, it was so refreshing to hear Jack Gleeson talking about those scenes. They're humanizing Joffrey just a bit, which I think it's great. It made me remember one thing I like about The Tudors, the way they always showed you a different side to a character before killing them. Made the impact even more powerful.
@Macha, I think he is showing some restraint this season. Him running away during Blackwater and now that his Grandpapa is there he needs to play nice. I am sure his jerky side will pop up sooner or later.
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Jack is amaaazing . How he looked at his mum when he said "getting older" ? Ha ha ha ha !
I know we don't know for sure Macha... in the books. It was just an overall feeling for me. The same as Jeyne and Shea for that matter. oh I rambling now. I think if it had been any other actress than Dormer ... I find her the same in real life in interviews etc.. urgh.
So a bunch of people think the reveal of Barristan was poorly handled. Let's think about this for a second, how would they have done the book version on the Tv show? In the book Barristan is disguised, that works well in the book since we can't recognize the man from just the words on the page. How would we have disguised him in the tv show? Makeup? A mask, some other thing that would've been pointless and silly?
Don't think so...
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A mask. LOL. Like Michelletto in Euroborgia. Who never actually takes off his mask. Even in the scene where he's completely naked and you can tell everything else about him. That would have worked.
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My problem with Barristan's scene is not his reveal per se (I too think the book version wouldn't have worked), it's the way it was shot and edited from the moment he takes out his dagger and until Dany gets back up. I couldn't even see who stopped him, why did Dany fall, how come Jorah let him go so easily in time for him to stab the manticore, and so on. It felt rushed and choppy. I meant it was bad strictly from a visual point of view.
Ah, I see....yeah they did kinda did let the manticore take it's sweet time climbing out of the ball. What I think is that the show is on an incredibly tight schedule, they need to get stuff done for a 10 hour series, with the time and budget of a single large film. So occasionally they run into coverage problems, especially scenes where visual Fx are concerned.
I felt this happened in the episode where the shadow demon kills Renly, it just felt underwhelming and sloppy.
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So a bunch of people think the reveal of Barristan was poorly handled. Let's think about this for a second, how would they have done the book version on the Tv show? In the book Barristan is disguised, that works well in the book since we can't recognize the man from just the words on the page. How would we have disguised him in the tv show? Makeup? A mask, some other thing that would've been pointless and silly?
Don't think so...
Feel the same, it was quite clever and close to the book (Strong Belwas apart), i was nicely surprised by the manticore and the scene with the slaver shitbag.
But i loved this episode, yeah love blinds me. Annoyed by the Jon snow's arguments to join Mance, i found this less convincing, really than the one used in the books (but Hinds was great to watch, a pleasure, even Kit was better under his thumb). And the Robb scene not very subtle. I agree that the Cersei-tyrion scene was not adding anything new to light the relation between the two of them.
Now things i love : Margy, great great Margy, machiavelic Margy, buy this one. Dragons ! Mance ! giant ! Tywin-tyrion scene ! slaver-Dany scene !
To me Van Houten's performance is the right one, Mel is a taliban, i always saw her as this, she is monochromed and the religion is her fuel not human feelings, so ...
AND FUCK I LOVE GOOGLE CHROME (ihad to say this, i don't know why i have waited such a long time...)
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- Robb is screwed, the icezombies are climbing over the Wall, why doesn't he rush back?
- Tyrion is going to kill his father.
- the Kraznys-scene: usually when people do a scene like this with a translator there is this quip where the listener actually knows the translated language. I totally forgot that in the books Dany understood everything Kraznys said lol. I wonder if Dany will speak Valyrian this season?
Is it that obvious? That one completely took me by surprise in the books.
Mr. Tir said the same thing: "after that, Tyrion's GOTTA kill his father." And then he made a shooting sign with his hands. I had to look away and laugh but inside I was thinking the same "omg, is it that obvious?"
He also spects Robb to die this season, and he said he doesn't care anymore about Robb storyline because "he's such an idiot" and he can't stand talisa. He fully expects Roose Bolton to betray him somehow, and he think's it's his bastard who burnt winterfell, however he fully expects Theon to get his head chopped of by Robb before Robb dies. But what worried me (considering what's coming) is that he said he was "fully detached" from Robb's storyline, and doesn't care what happens to him anymore. I'm not sure how much of that is true and how much it is a combination of his annoyance with the character's behaviour and the storyline and the fact he's 100% sure Robb's gonna die this season, but... detachment is not good.
He also said "oh, i was almost sure it'd turn out khaleesi or ser jorah spoke that language". ( i suppose that's the way that usually plays so i'm glad they postponed that reveal a bit). He expects Kraznys to be dragon barbeque soon and was very surprised to find the little girl was connected to the warlocks since he thought pyat pree was the only one.
But his biggest bafflement was the raven scene. He couldn't understand why was Mormont giving out to Sam when it was him who sent him on chores away from the ravens so how could he have sent one.
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Tir Airgid wrote: I'm not sure how much of that is true and how much it is a combination of his annoyance with the character's behaviour and the storyline and the fact he's 100% sure Robb's gonna die this season, but... detachment is not good.
On the other hand, Mr. Macha likes Robb a great deal and he thinks Robb is now the backbone of the show just like Ned was in S1, and I don't think he's expecting Robb to die anytime soon (the best candidate for that is Stannis in his opinion). So you have viewers and viewers. Some viewers and book readers dislike show-Robb. I didn't like Robb in the books all that much, and now I like him in the show. I think for most characters there will be this type of balance, lose a few fans, gain a few fans. So I'm not worried in the least. I do hope the RW will come as a shock though. And if it doesn't come as a surprise, then I'd like for it to be as gruesome as possible at least.
Tir Airgid wrote: I'm not sure how much of that is true and how much it is a combination of his annoyance with the character's behaviour and the storyline and the fact he's 100% sure Robb's gonna die this season, but... detachment is not good.
On the other hand, Mr. Macha likes Robb a great deal and he thinks Robb is now the backbone of the show just like Ned was in S1, and I don't think he's expecting Robb to die anytime soon (the best candidate for that is Stannis in his opinion). So you have viewers and viewers. Some viewers and book readers dislike show-Robb. I didn't like Robb in the books all that much, and now I like him in the show. I think for most characters there will be this type of balance, lose a few fans, gain a few fans. So I'm not worried in the least. I do hope the RW will come as a shock though. And if it doesn't come as a surprise, then I'd like for it to be as gruesome as possible at least.
geez my previous post looks so weird! so much blank space... dk.
Anyways, i hope that when the moment comes, it'll still pull him in and crush him bwahahahahaha!!!!!
like macha says, i didn't like Robb in the books too much either, but it wasn't Robb who pulled me in anyways, it was Cat. That's my fear here.
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I am sure they will reconcile Cat and Robb before the RW. Hopefully not in an overly obvious way so their fates arent telegraphed to the audience. Then again, I doubt ANYONE will Expect a double character death in a single scene.
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Ok. I know I'm late to the party but I promised I'd leave my impressions so here they go, for what they're worth:
WHAT I HATED
=All the Harrenhal scene: except for the intriguing early introducion of Qyburn. So the butchering done to bookRobb and bookCat leads us to this jewel:"put her in a cell" "oh, but coochipoo, she's ur mommy... oh lookie! bodies to serrate!yeay!" *excuse me while i on Talisa and wipe my mouth with the script* While in a corner "bwahahaha, everything is catelyn's fault" and look how she walks there so alive while i casually zoom on her while saying the word "murderer", ain't i clever. no need to point the biggest source of discontent is actually the Freys leaving because Robb pissed on his vows. That'd be too spoilery sure. feck, i forgot to tell roose to grow a moustache to twirl while he looks as villanous and treacherous as it's humanly possible and promises revenge.
WHAT I DIDN'T LIKE
-The ravens. I don't mind the changes in Sam's storyline so far cause I still hope it'll leave room for future cannon events to bring about character improvement (if they don't find a way for him to become Sam the Slayer though, imma ). Now, the whole ravens issue seemed a bit out of context, given we haven't seen the ravens in an eon and there's more pressing matters puzzling us such as how did a handfull of NW men survive an attack by a veritable horde of wights and white walkers? Anyhoo, my non reader thought it was Mormont who sent Sam on the dung chore far from the ravens last time so he couldn't understand why he was giving out to him now. (Thanks Macha for your alternative explanation that Sam may have just gone from his own accord for a bit of a chat cause he thought nothing was happening, Mr. Tir was happy with that one.) If they wanted to remind the audience of the ravens... I'd have liked to at least idk, have him hurry back to camp to stumbl upon an open cage or sth like that. Again, idk... might've been too cumbersome.
-Either Aidan Gillen's acting is devolving by the minute or the writers hate him. Why so obvious????? How on earth did Petyr manage to become who he is if he's so fucking obvious??? But more than anything, why ruin one of the great WTF moments in the book, the reveal that he was behind the scape plan? It's only Ros' comment that gives me a glimmer of hope they still might be some sort of twist to this story, but it's such a waste of a reveal that, unlike Arstan Whitebeard, WOULD have worked.
-The whore who can't act. Seriously? Did she have to speak on the opening KL scene? urgh *shudders* (Yvy, I also had trouble trying to get rid of the image of the last time we saw Jerome with a whore on a brothel )
MEH
.I wasn't wowed by the CGI creatures, but then again, they blended in well enough so I suppose that's a compliment too.
.I've mixed feelings on the Tyrion/Cersei scene. I thought it was a bit of a filler, to convey remind us it was Cersei was the one who attacked him and that she was worried Tyrion would out her incest to Tywin. But it felt very... laboured, for some reason.
.I'm not a fan of the unsullied murdering a random baby instead of your own puppy and only companion and friend. Maybe it required less explaining, idk.
WHAT I LIKED & WHAT I LOVED
+The pace. This time the pace felt so right, it still gives us a sense of the big scope of the story while at the same time it allows us to engage in every particular storyline they're showing. A giant improvement from last season birdview premiere. I'd be very happy if they stick to this model moving foward
+The visuals. It all looked pretty real last season, but for some reason this time it looks even more so. More full of life, more lived in, more little details here and there. And so beautiful.
+The nod from the authors about the nose. Priceless
+Valyrian! I'm happy we've got a new language and Natalie Emmanuel makes it sound so real. (Kraznys for some reason seems to have a bit more trouble making it sound natural)
+No Arstan, it wouldn't have worked. The scene was only ok, but it was watching Ian Glenn's expression when Barristan reveals himself was so good.
+Sassy Bronn. Yes. More. So glad they're keeping that dinamic another season. It needs all the lifting up moments it can provide and Bronn never fails, Flynn it feels so effortless and comfortable in his skin.
+The translation scene. It was very well played, and I loved they showed no inkling that Dany understands it, thus playing with people's expectations for how such scenes usually play out.
+The Ros/Shae scene. I really enjoyed the scene. Loved to see them cross paths and what they said to each other, and i'm interested in where they're taking the characters.
+Jon Snow growing a brain. I loved the scene at Mance's tent (even though I still sorely miss the more playful and flamboyant sides of both Mance and Tormund), but I though this was Kit's best performance so far. I liked the reasoning he gave to join, maybe even better than in the book. The "lie by telling the truth" scenario was well played in my eyes and left a tantalizing door open to non readers... maybe some day he might actually turn on the NW? On Mance and Tormund, they both felt right within their environment and the story, but they feel very different from the story so I think I just need a few episodes to adjust to the new vision, but I liked them.
+Ty/Ty conversation. I loved it. I thought it was very much in character, and I didn't find any bit of either the writing or the delivery out of place. I loved every minute of it. It was so raw, so visceral, such a relenteless thing... much like this time Tyrion was the deer Tywin was carving. I swear the way he say the word "waddle" I felt stabbed in the stomach. 3rd favourite scene.
+Every single scene with Margaery here was a win for me. I was almost expecting the paparazzi to be outside the orphanage. The way she played that, the way she owned that dinner. I'm sold on the aging up from the start, and I love the casting choice, I thought it'd made for some delicious sparring and so far it hasn't disappointed me. They were all great though. Jack Gleeson acted his ass off and Lena's expressions where perfect. These was my second favourite scene(s) this episode.
++SALLADHOR SAN STOLE THE SHOW. Team Dragonstone scenes were my favourite this episode. I loved how each and every one of them played the part, i like how they streamline Davos murder attempt and i love Stannis' demeanor and reaction. But for Tir, this episode Salladhor gets the cake. He gives the character so much life, his dialogue and the way he delivered cracked me up and it was exposition at its best. The scene between him and Davos made me squeee with joy.
Overall: : Salladhor San
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Love the review, Tir and yep, D&D seem to be Catbashing, so sad.
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Great points Tir, but I'm quite sure the Unsullied babykilling was exactly from the books too. I think I remember because I remembered I was really shocked when Kraznys laughed: "Tell the stupid whore we don't pay the mothers, but the owners."
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i had totally forgotten the babykilling part. then again, i shouldn't have trusted my crappy memory. my bad.
(i still think the puppy thing has more impact, but i understand they wanted to reinforce the whole "slaves dont matter at all" thing so it makes sense to use it)
-- Edited by Tir Airgid on Sunday 7th of April 2013 08:52:03 AM
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Now I had to look it up of course and the babykilling and puppykilling are both parts of the book:
"Dany is told that an Unsullied graduates by killing a baby in front of its slave mother which is paid to the child’s owner, and that few fail this test. Dany is horrified. Then the slaver reveals that dogs are harder. Each boy is given a puppy when they are cut, and must strangle the puppy at the end of the first year. Any that fail are killed and fed to the other dogs."
, I guess it´s the only thing I´ll miss from the whole Arstan Whitebeard thing. And, lol, please remind me if Stannis put Onion in prison in the books because no memory.
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in the books. Did 
went right to prison, did not pass Stannis. I do remember a scene between 
I was actually quite pleased about that. I didn't think about the fact that she came from Winterfell, and seems to have a warm place in her heart for the Starks. It will be very interesting to see how this develops.
didn´t know that 
, he takes Gilly and then the WW attacks them somewhere on the road? I cant remember how it all went down in the books. When Coldhands saves them hey were just being attacked by wights, right?
Nailed it! I was laughing so hard at that scene, Stannis rocks.
It was nailed, and Tyrion actually listed the things he did. I don't recall him doing so in the books, but I might be wrong.
Dormer is not all bad this season either, but could be too early to tell.
Is it that obvious? That one completely took me by surprise in the books.
on Talisa and wipe my mouth with the script* While in a corner "bwahahaha, everything is catelyn's fault" and look how she walks there so alive while i casually zoom on her while saying the word "murderer", ain't i clever. no need to point the biggest source of discontent is actually the Freys leaving because Robb pissed on his vows. That'd be too spoilery sure. feck, i forgot to tell roose to grow a moustache to twirl while he looks as villanous and treacherous as it's humanly possible and promises revenge. 
). Now, the whole ravens issue seemed a bit out of context, given we haven't seen the ravens in an eon and there's more pressing matters puzzling us such as how did a handfull of NW men survive an attack by a veritable horde of wights and white walkers? Anyhoo, my non reader thought it was Mormont who sent Sam on the dung chore far from the ravens last time so he couldn't understand why he was giving out to him now. (Thanks Macha for your alternative explanation that Sam may have just gone from his own accord for a bit of a chat cause he thought nothing was happening, Mr. Tir was happy with that one.) If they wanted to remind the audience of the ravens... I'd have liked to at least idk, have him hurry back to camp to stumbl upon an open cage or sth like that. Again, idk... might've been too cumbersome.
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: Salladhor San
and yep, D&D seem to be Catbashing, so sad.
