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Giamatti was robbed for not being cast as Hodor.

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ShadowStalker wrote:

Switching gears... I have a pet theory that they are going to cut Meereen. (Repetitve taking another city)

Since they already essentially used the Meereen conquest to take over Yunkai.


 I would cry rivers of rainbows if they cut/change Mereen. As long as they keep my baby Jorah crawling through shit. Dirty Iain Glen is the best Iain Glen.



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Amen wife

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ShadowStalker wrote:

Switching gears... I have a pet theory that they are going to cut Meereen. (Repetitve taking another city)

Since they already essentially used the Meereen conquest to take over Yunkai.

Thought being that S4 will actually push pretty far into Dance for Dany's story. Perhaps ending with her deciding to marry Hizdar.


 My god I hope not, we don't need Dany getting settled yet.

 

BTW Bill Nighy for Hizdar!



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BTW Bill Nighy for Hizdar!

 What in the name of R'hllor....?!



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Rygar wrote:

Giamatti was robbed for not being cast as Hodor.


 He's going to be in Downton Abbey.  We'll get our fix.



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Macha wrote:
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BTW Bill Nighy for Hizdar!

 What in the name of R'hllor....?!


 What's wrong with that ?

 http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0631490/

 



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Ok Brass tax, what worked/didnt work about Meereen.

Worked:
It's conquest ( though without Balwas will it bee Daario booty )
The Dragons size and misbehaviour ( No Drogo NO, bad dragon, no eating little girls )
The clashing with the fighting pits
Her getting whisked away on Drogon during her marriage tourney

Didn't work:
EVERYTHING ELSE!

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Al Swearengen wrote:

 What's wrong with that ?

 http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0631490/


Because I couldn't stop laughing/crying/adoring his stupid, wonderful, out-of this-world face. You know, Bill Nighy would have made an amazing Stannis in Game of Thrones - the comedy.



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On a side note, in honoor of James Gandolfini and the sad fact that he will never be our Mace Tyrell. I would like to nominate Joey Pants for the Red Viper.

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Rygar wrote:

On a side note, in honoor of James Gandolfini and the sad fact that he will never be our Mace Tyrell. I would like to nominate Joey Pants for the Red Viper.


 Clearly Furio is the perfect Red Viper.



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Ok to clarify my meaning that Meereen is going to get cut.

She will rule Yunkai instead of marching on to Meereen. Dragons still get caged up. The Sons of the Harpy will happen here in Yunkai. Dany love triangle of Daario, Jorah and Hizdar heats up. Jorah's spying is revealed and banished. Pale Mare from Astapor can still come. Yunkai will be beseiged by... a proactive Meereen. (Flip flopping them from the books). Reducing alot of the repetition in her storyline. S3 was about her conquering... S4 will be about her ruling/ love interests.

Since presumably a lot of the Wise Masters were killed and the city sacked (where they all survived in the books and the city was mostly left in tact)... I can't imagine that Yunkai would be in a position to form up any sort of resistance a little over 1 season later. Simplifies things for New Viewers and gets rid of a repetitve arc for them.

This also allows them to further the plot along alot quicker. Assuming that they are planning 7-8 Seasons. S5 they could begin with including Quentyn (just having him show up, not showing us any of his journey to Meereen) S5 finale being the battle of Fire that is assumedly going to be at the Beginning of Winds of Winter or the cliffer hanger from Dance. Giving us 2-3 seasons to finish her arc.

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There will be a Mereen, by God there will be. And Senator Clay Davis as Belwas.

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Neil Marshall to direct the S4 finale! Siege of the Wall then!

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Neil Marshall to direct the S4 finale! Siege of the Wall then!


 Oh hell yeah!!! :dancing:



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Great, but as the article says, it's really a rumor, not news. Also, season finale is really really late for the siege at the Wall.

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Neil Marshall guarantees Stannis Bamfatheon. WIN!

I agree with Cary though, what about Ep. 9 then?

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True Cary and Macha, Marshall would direct the *event* episode which would be 409, not the finale.

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My guess is the battle will spill over the two episodes. You never know perhaps Neil just fancies a bit of meaty drama for a change.

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Yay! I was so sure they'll get him back for S4 and the battle at the Wall. Going by their previous statements, I think they're aiming to top Blackwater. Perhaps they'll make it less of a siege then, and combine the initial attack from the south with Mance's army reaching the Wall from the north? So that the Watch would be attacked from both sides at once, for a bit of extra-drama.

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Spotted this little pink sign today outside the entrance to The Shanes Castle Estate. Looks like one of the first scenes shot this season will be here.
Shanes has been used before for some Jamie and Brienne scenes,also the caverns under the castle have been used for the Dragonstone dungeons and the Winterfell crypts.
My money is on Dragonstone, though it is a large estate with 800acres of ancient woodland, so it could be something new entirely.



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hey that's great news feathers! So exited the shoot begins! freakout

PS I'm going to share it in our tumblr.



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Feathers with the inside report, how cool is that?? yippie

Keep us posted, Ser!

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Feathers, are you "in" S4? Can you tell us without killing us? Is it a "need to know" basis? Inquiring minds want to know!

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No way, he'd be perfect. Liver and onions? Shhheeeeeeiiiiiiiiittttttttttt



-- Edited by Rygar on Wednesday 10th of July 2013 06:29:56 PM

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The battle on the wall will happen in Episode 9...timing might be sligtly off bookwise, but season wise it works well. I am looking forward.

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Doesn't Stannis arrive near end of the book? if so that would make sense for the timing of the show. I can't wait to see Stephan and Kit together.



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Feathers, are you "in" S4? Can you tell us without killing us? Is it a "need to know" basis? Inquiring minds want to know!


 He can't tell us anything. He's been cast as Vic and he's growing a demon hand.

 



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I can't wait to see Stephan and Kit together.

 I can't wait to see Dillane and Hinds together.



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Macha wrote:
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Feathers, are you "in" S4? Can you tell us without killing us? Is it a "need to know" basis? Inquiring minds want to know!


 He can't tell us anything. He's been cast as Vic and he's growing a demon hand.

 


 Sweeeet!



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And Senator Clay Davis as Belwas.


 How in God's name did I miss this. (Don't you think he's a bit old for Belwas though?)



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Macha wrote:
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Feathers, are you "in" S4? Can you tell us without killing us? Is it a "need to know" basis? Inquiring minds want to know!


 He can't tell us anything. He's been cast as Vic and he's growing a demon hand.

 


 Funny you should mention my hand Macha, it has been giving me problems recently. The doctor didn`t call it demon hand though, but what would he know............smile

I would love to be Iron Born this season, but if the phone rings I will take Thrall, if offered. 

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 Funny you should mention my hand Macha, it has been giving me problems recently.


 BURN IT!

No seriously, sorry to hear about you hand, what happened there TF?

So do they call you back each year, or do you have to apply through their website again? Fingers crossed. Better yet, I will sacrifice a chicken to the God/dess of Casting for you, but if it works then you get to tell us all the juicy bits.



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Crossing fingers and toes and eyes for ya, Feathers

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ohmyfuckingrhllor mark gatiss iamseriouslygoingtodie thismarvellouscast.

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WOW Mark Gatiss!, this cast is gonna kill me aaaaaaaa *falls of the chair*

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So both Daniel Portman and Gwendoline Christie are in Iceland, if summer Iceland is what I think it is. It must be they are teaming those up in S4 already. Moving forward towards book 5 in their storylines. Makes sense, why would Brienne wait the whole of the season before striking out on their search for Sansa and Arya.


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So both Daniel Portman and Gwendoline Christie are in Iceland, if summer Iceland is what I think it is. It must be they are teaming those up in S4 already. Moving forward towards book 5 in their storylines. Makes sense, why would Brienne wait the whole of the season before striking out on their search for Sansa and Arya.


 Sounds like book 4/5 to me! 



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 Sounds like book 4/5 to me! 


 Yesh! I can hear GRRM freakin out all the way here. Write faster chubby checker! grrm



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 Sounds like book 4/5 to me! 


 Yesh! I can hear GRRM freakin out all the way here. Write faster chubby checker! grrm


 HBO demands it! 



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He seems to love the fame and exposure the Tv show has brought to his work. Yet he seems annoyed and unwilling to get writing and keep this thing running. He loves using the analogy: "I can hear the train approaching".

Well he might be the one derrailing the whole thing.

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DonalNoyesArm wrote:

So both Daniel Portman and Gwendoline Christie are in Iceland, if summer Iceland is what I think it is. It must be they are teaming those up in S4 already. Moving forward towards book 5 in their storylines. Makes sense, why would Brienne wait the whole of the season before striking out on their search for Sansa and Arya.


 I just hope we still get Brienne in Kings Landing for a couple episodes and that we get to see all the small councils reactions to her.

Pity Jamie won't be giving her Oathkeeper



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Pity Jamie won't be giving her Oathkeeper

 How do we know this?



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 I just hope we still get Brienne in Kings Landing for a couple episodes and that we get to see all the small councils reactions to her.

Pity Jamie won't be giving her Oathkeeper


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 Well Sansa will still need to escape KL for Brienne to try and look for her. So Bri will leave KL after the Purple Wedding. 

I don't see why she won't get Oathkeeper, doesnt it get forged the same time as Joffreys wedding gift sword? So in that timeline it could still happen.

We shall see I suppose.

 



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I hope I am wrong about the sword but I just don't have a good feeling about them. I haven't heard Ice mentioned once since S1, Robb didn't even demand Ice back when he replied to Cersei's demands in S2.

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You might be right Al, just like Renly's peach it might be a book detail that gets lost in the Tv show.

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"Ice" does't need to get mentioned every season, they can simply rentroduce it briefly as "Ned's Stark's sword". I don't think it'll get lost since it's actually meaningful for Jaime and Brienne's storyine, which revolves around oaths.

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Macha wrote:

"Ice" does't need to get mentioned every season, they can simply rentroduce it briefly as "Ned's Stark's sword". I don't think it'll get lost since it's actually meaningful for Jaime and Brienne's storyine, which revolves around oaths.


 Given how important Valyrian Steel swords are in Westeros I was really shocked Robb left it out of his demands. But then again D & D have hardly paid any attention to Lightbringer with Stannis so I shouldn't be surprised.



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Macha wrote:

"Ice" does't need to get mentioned every season, they can simply rentroduce it briefly as "Ned's Stark's sword". I don't think it'll get lost since it's actually meaningful for Jaime and Brienne's storyine, which revolves around oaths.


 Maybe my memory fails me, but I don't think Ice has been mentioned on the show at all. What bugs me more is that neither have Dany's dragons. Would it kill them to have Dany talk to Missandei and go: "Check out my Dragons! These are...."

I guess everyone has their pet peeves, heh.



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