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Season 3 Episode 9 - "The Rains of Castamere" *Mark Spoilers Please*
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Written by David Benioff & D.B. Weiss.

Directed by David Nutter.

 

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Summary ---ehem... no! Spoiler
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I haven't watched the preview, so I'm interested to see what happens in this "big" episode. Last year, there was such a huge buildup to episode 9, everyone knew what the subject of the episode would be, even if they didn't know the outcome. This year, the characters are all over the place and any of them could be in a position to be a part of important events. So I'm dying to see what happens tonight! I wish we could all watch together. We need that LF teleporter, so that you can all squeeze into my living room.

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Wouldnt that be cool, a real viewing party!

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Really looking forward to tonight's episode.

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That's about all I can say for now. Away! To twitter! 



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My heart is still pounding a mile a minute after that. I can't even appropriately comment on this other than to say they totally did it justice. I can't think about the rest of the episode yet... I need to let this marinate.

Wow. This is the closest GoT has made to making me cry since S1E09 and I knew exactly what was going to happen.

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Oh fuck. That's about all I can think to say.

I liked the silence during the closing credits, as I was tallying up who was dead. blackfish went to pee. Did he come back? I don't think so. Edmure is off bedding his wife. And poor Arya. What the Hound said about her being afraid that she wouldn't make it...it just tears at my heart. And they killed the wolf! WTF? That's just not right!

The minute Rains started playing and that homely little Frey shut the doors, I just felt things were about to go badly. Catelyn is looking at the loving couple approvingly. Everyone seems so relaxed. And then Rains. Ugh. Very well done. And I liked Catelyn trying to bargain with a worthless asset, and then slitting the girl's throat out of spite. Bolton surprised me. I knew he was unprincipled and dishonorable, but that's beyond what I could have imagined from him.

That's all for now. More later. I hope.

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Like Macha said ... even tho' we knew what was coming, I'm still in shock. At first I thought, It was done badly, if the first bit was it? But then the final scenes .. Oh my!

All of that aside ... Walder Frey ! Fantastic acting from David . Sick, twisted, leery, and freaking funny!

My first tears came with "You're a Wizard" Awwww Sam's face!
Then Rickon the little man!

Then ... when I knew what was coming I felt a little bit nauseated. No drums?

Then the tears pricked when Cat's face started to reveal her fears were coming true, pretty much sobbed after that!
Greywind, Arya's little face, (give that kid a break!) The Hound just keeps getting better!

Some fantastic acting ...(Edmure's face when he see's his bride, classic)

Still don't care about Dany .. but I didn't in the books so...I don't like to admit when I'm wrong, but Daario? hmmmm...

I love Tormond... just saying. When he was so matter of fact " you do understand? " Ha!

 

Clearly they filmed the wedding early on .. or I hope they did , that's why Cat has had nothing to say for weeks .. she was resting !( You can see her face is puffed up from filming over and over ... how draining must that have been ? )



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Black as Snow wrote:

Bolton surprised me. I knew he was unprincipled and dishonorable, but that's beyond what I could have imagined from him.

 I guess he got tired of playing mail boy. 



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Anguissette1979 wrote:

Wow. This is the closest GoT has made to making me cry since S1E09 and I knew exactly what was going to happen.

 I did cry. But I having an emotional week. It's all good. I have my soul back. 



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Ok. Well. I don't know what to write, because I can't describe that ending. Damn, I think I'm in shock. How the hell did this happen, if I already knew what's coming? I was convinced Nutter would go for overly dramatic, and he DIDN'T. I could fucking cry, I'm so happy he decided to direct it like that. Actually, I did tear up several times.
Loved the shot of Greywind marching before Robb's men at the beginning, it was so bloody hopefull. Fucking sadists. Completely LOVED the sheer devastation on Jorah's face when Dany asks them about Daario. About time we get some mini-battle scenes. The choreography for Yunkai was pretty wicked, Grey Worm especially, and that little bit with Jorah and Daario working together. Dany + fewer lines = match made in heaven.
Jon's bit was edited poorly, but there was some very good acting there from everyone, so I didn't mind. Bran's quick in-and-out warging looks so weird tho. But I suppose it doesn't need to look pretty. Oh, and "my uncle this and my uncle that". Bran, why don't you do something productive for a change and find me Benjen, ey? YOU HAVE SKILLZ.

Rickon and Osha, nope nope nope. I started crying at this point. "I have to protect you" rickon Just kill me.

Sam the Wizard was full of win. This pair is such a polar oposite of everything and everyone else on this show, and I adore their scenes.

 

Was there anything else that wasn't the Red Wedding? Screw it. I don't care to nitpick about this episode.

Edmure and his little wife were loveable and the Blackfish had two or three brilliant moments. What the hell happened there though? Did he really go outside to take a leak? If he did, maybe he managed to escape? The hell with this, I'm a book reader and I already had enough of this shit.

Ugh, Grey Wind in the stable. Grey Wind howling and crying. Grey Wind dying there alone R'HLLOR FUCKING DAMMIT. Broke my heart. As did Talisa's death scene. Say what you will about her character, that death was What a middle-finger moment for Ned fans as well. nedroll

The music and the doors,, Bolton's obscene smirk, Robb's "Mother...", all were beautiful. But Michelle Fairley topped it all, just by being a freakin' goddess. The woman is incredible, and the dead silent ending credits were a fantastic touch.

 



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Cary Storm wrote:
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Bolton surprised me. I knew he was unprincipled and dishonorable, but that's beyond what I could have imagined from him.

 I guess he got tired of playing mail boy. 

 When I realized what was about to happen, I was thinking "OMG, they're going to kill Bolton too."  lol.  That was naive of me.  Even when Cat pulled back his tunic to reveal his mail, I thought it was really smart of him to be prepared for anything.  Duh.  



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This episode was almost all Starks (except for Danaerys -- her scenes didn't belong in this episode). I think what struck me most about the episode was there was such hope for good things to happen for the various Starks and then it's snatched away. Jon was so close to Bran and Rickon, and Arya was so close to Robb and her mother. The almost reunions were difficult to watch. And yet I'm so relieved that Arya didn't rush off to be reunited with her family. But how awful to be so close and have all hope crushed. Awful and riveting all at once. And Bran and Rickon having Jon right outside the door...I know Jon wasn't in a position to help them, but it would still have been pretty fantastic if they had gotten a glimpse of each other.

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Watching the episode again, the direwolves aren't even wet at the tower scene. In the rain. Lazy special effects.

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I hated the style of the first 2/3 of the episode. The scenes were so short and there were so many different places, that it took me half the scene to figure out where the scene was taking place. It was disorienting and annoying. I don't know if it's an editing issue or a directing issue, but it really interfered with my enjoyment of the episode. I liked how events were unfolding, but hated how they were presented.

And I loved little Rickon. This is the first time he's gotten to actually act since episode 110 in the crypt. And I think he did a great job. He was endearing and vulnerable and trying to be strong. I loved it. I hope they show Osha and Rickon some more and don't just forget about them.

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II would have liked Arya to show some more emotion. She should have been balling. Christ she is still a child, even if shes a heartless bitch. :)

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Cary Storm wrote:

Watching the episode again, the direwolves aren't even wet at the tower scene. In the rain. Lazy special effects.

LOL wut.

Honestly, at this point I can't be arsed to care about aaaaaaaaanyyyyyyything.  yippie

No wait, I care about something. These two peeps.

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Rygar wrote:

II would have liked Arya to show some more emotion. She should have been balling. Christ she is still a child, even if shes a heartless bitch. :)

 You have a point, Ry.  Maybe she'll spend episode 310 curled up in the fetal position. 



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II would have liked Arya to show some more emotion. She should have been balling. Christ she is still a child, even if shes a heartless bitch. :)

 While I'm not a fan of Maisie's cold dead stare (a la Dany), Arya couldn't have been bawling just from seeing Grey Wind get killed - she still doesn't understand what's going on at this point.



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Ok, what to say. It´s good to be late when everyone already wrote something crackers

David Bradley was brilliant. So easy to hate that man, "you lot , Imma kill Starks you lot".  I know this is not the best episode to say it but the Freys crack me up. The last daughter/granddaughter whothehellknows "I´m Mary". "Fine". The way they used humor was disturbingly good damnit.

Edmure´s faces through the entire episode were priceless. That Tobias Brutus is so good. Also the Blackfish of course but he had too little to do. The looks between the Blackfish and Edmure when Robb says that "any man wants to marry the Frey girls. And the wiz thing... you know, Imma buy some cigarettes just now. If it is a joke, didn´t like it. Bolton´s smile tho... sonofabitch.

And this Daario gem: "I´m a great whistler?" what a tool.

Loved Osha-Rickon and Tormund! And yep, the warging thing seemed too fast but I don´t care. Oh wait, lol, this is bad, the way Bran tell Rickon he saw Jon... wut the hell, some emotion boy! that was so casual.

Now tell me: whur´s mah Stannis?

 

 

 



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Cary Storm wrote:
Anguissette1979 wrote:

Wow. This is the closest GoT has made to making me cry since S1E09 and I knew exactly what was going to happen.

 I did cry. But I having an emotional week. It's all good. I have my soul back. 

 It got to me, Cat killed it ( literally ) in her last scene. I think it got me more than it did Khaleesi, she is a hard ass. if I remember correctly after she read the Red Wedding in the book she said: "Huh,....oh well they served their purpose". Lol



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II would have liked Arya to show some more emotion. She should have been balling. Christ she is still a child, even if shes a heartless bitch. :)

 While I'm not a fan of Maisie's cold dead stare (a la Dany), Arya couldn't have been bawling just from seeing Grey Wind get killed - she still doesn't understand what's going on at this point.

 From what I remember, Arya does know that the Northmen are getting killed and she tries to run in to help and gets stopped by Sandor.  



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So before the more detailed writeup.

Loved:

The Red Wedding was as viceral and disturbing as the book, knowing it was coming kinda made it worse. In some ways it was better than the book and will elaborate on that later.

The Bran/ Rickon bits were quite good and Tv Rickon is better than book Rickon for the fact he has more lines!

Liked:

The Jon Snow parts were cool, and Sam and Gilly: "you are like a wizard!" That throwback line to S1 truly made me smile.

Meh:

The Dany storyline was kinda weak, 3 guys go in and TADAH, we have a city yo! It seemed a bit too easy.

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I liked they kept kings landing out, focus always works better for this show. I hope they keep it up for S4.
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An observation, Cat grabbed the knife and lunged for Walders wife, even though Walder was only a foot further away and didn't have guards around him.

I personally would've gone the extra step and butchered the old bag of shit right in his chair.

But thats just me. bleh



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True, Don, but she and Walder "Heh" Frey were separated by that table and she already had an arrow in her back, whereas his wife was on the same "level".



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I felt bad for her too, poor girl probably had NO idea what was going on and got screwed by Walder.



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DonalNoyesArm wrote:

An observation, Cat grabbed the knife and lunged for Walders wife, even though Walder was only a foot further away and didn't have guards around him.

I personally would've gone the extra step and butchered the old bag of shit right in his chair.

 I'm right there with you, Donal.  If you're going to die anyway, might as well take out Ol' Crusty before you go.  



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why would she run away then if he was taking her to her family, and he could protect her better than she could protect herself? If anything she should've run away once they were almost there, so that her family wouldn't have to pay the ransome. But that wasn't an option.

I also don't support the idea that Cat could've done anything to walder. She's not ygritte or brienne, she's no fighting skills and he's too far, too high. All she could've done before she got one last shot is stab him in the foot, imo.

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Don't mind me Tir. I know even if she would've gotten away. Well she would've gotten to the wedding and gotten killed with Robb and Cat.



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I also thought, during the first Arya/Hound scene:

"The hound just gave Arya the reigns to his horse and then lifted the pig cart, if I were here I would've jumped on the horse and taken off. What is the hound gonna do? Run after her?"

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 All she could've done before she got one last shot is stab him in the foot, imo.


 Yeah but remember that scene in Gladiator where Maximus fights the big retired champion Whatshisface? That was quite a nasty stab in the foot right there.



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 All she could've done before she got one last shot is stab him in the foot, imo.


 Yeah but remember that scene in Gladiator where Maximus fights the big retired champion Whatshisface? That was quite a nasty stab in the foot right there.

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Episode 9 started off as such a benevolent episode. Robb asking Catelyn for her counsel and listening to her for the first time in a long time. Catelyn usually gave good counsel, even if her own actions didn't match her advice. Her problem was always that her need for revenge/justice overrode her good sense. And in the opening scene we see it again. She was analyzing the situation from a tactical and logical perspective, but when the time came to make a judgment call, she chose revenge over her better judgment. And I had made the assumption some weeks ago that Robb would lose his bid for the iron throne as a result of the Freys betraying him. But I expected, probably by design, that the Freys would betray the Starks on the battlefield when they headed towards Casterly Rock. I thought Robb would be captured or killed. Obviously, I was very wrong about the method, but not about the end result.

The second scene follows the feel-good tone of the first, where Walder Frey pretends to be gracious at first and explicitly extends his protection to the Starks and Tullys. Which reinforced my belief that the betrayal would come later, on the field. The scene with Robb, Walder, the Frey women and Talisa was funny. Frey played his hand well in humiliating them and exerting his position of power. I was so uncomfortable for Talisa. But you've got to admit that despite his smarmy way of phrasing it, old Walder was exactly correct about Robb's reason for marrying Talisa.

The similarities between Edmure's wedding this episode and Tyrion's wedding in the last is interesting. Both grooms looked like they were walking to their deaths...shotgun weddings. This time everyone except Walder looked uneasy. Until we saw the lovely bride, that is. I loved the look Walder gave Robb. It disarmed me that he did right by Edmure, as I'm sure it was supposed to.

I've already talked about the wedding feast/slaughter, so I won't bore you. But things really were going too smoothly. Ugh.
Walder Frey was brilliant in all of his scenes. And Catelyn's intensity was fantastic throughout. Bolton has really grown on me with his cold stares and evasive answers. I'm glad he's not dead, even though he's definitely going to need to die horribly. I hope we can count on Arya for that.

Speaking of Arya, ugh, the heartbreak... She did well to hold it together. Perhaps better than she should have, as Rygar pointed out. But I'm happy to attribute her lack of emotion to shock and adrenaline. I really thought she was going to run over and release the wolf. I'm sure that would've ended in the wolf's death regardless, but I was heartbroken at him(?) getting lanced like a fish in a barrel. I was surprised that the Hound saved Arya. And I'm not sure why he did it. It's possible that they don't know what happened inside, and he's protecting/reclaiming an asset. It's possible that he likes her spunk and saves her for that reason. Or because she's Sansa's sister. Or there's the slight possibility that he's a decent human being under all that bluster. That's what I'm betting on.

So many questions remain. Did Blackfish survive? I doubt he snuck off unscathed during or after the bloodshed. So is he a prisoner? Or dead? Or did he actually survive and he's on the loose?

And how will this play out with Edmure and his new bride? I would love to see what the morning holds for him. I doubt Edmure will be killed. In fact, if Blackfish is dead, he may well be the new Lord of Riverrun. I don't know if the Tully's hold some greater title as well, like Ned Stark and Tywin Lannister do, but Edmure may be a powerful lord if he is the only survivor. And his new Frey wife would be in a good position too, making it a great match that old Walder set up. Or maybe I'm wrong. lol.

And what about the Tully forces? I'm assuming that the Frey and Bolton forces butchered the other bannermen's forces, especially the Starks' men. So are the Tully forces even there? And if so, are they decimated? I suspect that just as with Blackwater, we won't find out until next season.


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Jon Snow's undercover op with the wildlings was much more short-lived than I expected. (But maybe it's not over yet.) Both Arya and Jon were pleading to save the life of innocents this episode. And the wildlings' attitude is predictably pragmatic. I liked Jon's "alarm" to alert the farmer. Very clever. The one thing that seemed off about the scene was the large number of wildlings in the group. Based on previous scenes, it looked like no more than ten of them made it over the Wall.

I hated the editing for the Jon Snow/Bran and Rickon scenes. It was so jumbled with short scenes mixed in with scenes from other parts of Westeros and Essos. It didn't flow well at all, and was pretty disorienting. That said, I liked the actual events that occurred. Jon Snow and the boys were so close to each other, and yet there was no reunion, just as with Arya. Lots of warging going on with the boys. I never knew that Rickon could warg too. And I wasn't clear on how or why Bran made Hodor pass out, but when Bran woke up (or whatever you want to call it), Hodor stayed unconscious. I thought it was unrealistic that the wolves could save Jon, but he doesn't notice them. Giant snarling wolves are pretty hard to miss, no matter what else is going on. I'm surprised Jon would be that oblivious to his surroundings in the midst of a melee. In any case, Jon wasn't in a position to save the boys and have a reunion.

Tormund was funny with the farmer, and Orell was just as despicable as ever. I liked how the scene played out with the wildlings. I thought Tormund was attacking Ygritte, not restraining her. And I didn't really note whether Orell died before his eagle attacked Jon. I thought the eagle was plucking out Jon's eye, but I guess it was just tearing him up a bit. Of course, an eagle's weapons are its talons not its beak, so it should've attacked feet-first. In any case, I guess the primary characters are all going to get progressively more scarred as the series progresses.

For the first time ever, I felt genuine emotion for Ygitte. She looked so bewildered when Jon rode off. I truly felt sympathy for her. I was surprised Jon rode off. As I said, I thought his time with the wildlings would be more extensive. The fact that he rode off doesn't mean Ygritte and/or Tormund won't be seeing Jon again though. In fact, I'm quite certain they will be reunited. The possibilities for how it could happen are endless. But for now, I suppose Jon is riding for Castle Black to warn the Night's Watch. Or maybe there is somewhere closer that would have a raven he can send ahead of him? Again, I doubt we'll see Jon or the wildlings again before next season.

I thought little Rickon was quite good in his final scene with Bran. Yes, I agree that they were awfully nonchalant about Jon being right outside. And I would think that a murderous group of wildlings close by would alter their plans a bit. But it looks like they intend to continue with their plans to trek beyond the wall. I think it's silly. I sincerely hope we haven't seen the last of Osha and Rickon. And I hope Lord Umber's castle is a good ways to the south.

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Finally, we have the peeps in Essos. I liked that Dany deferred to Grey Worm's judgment on Daario in the first scene. I would expect that he would be the only one of her advisors who is objective. I felt bad for Jorah. Talk about having to swallow your pride and putting your ego in your pocket. And then he gets crushed in the end by Dany asking about Daario. He had such a goofy grin on his face up until then too. The friendzone is such a lonely place.

So...Daario's a great whistler. I can imagine a five year old saying that line. I shook my head in disbelief. If they're trying to demonstrate Daario's narcissism and swagger, surely there are better ways. Also, I thought the mercenaries only went into the city to visit whores? If so, how does he know all the back alleys if his only business is with the masters of Yunkai?

I like that Daario's a badass, just like the other two. And I like that they left some uncertainty about whether he was betraying the Grey Worm and Jorah or not. The dagger flying past Jorah's head to kill an attacker behind him is a bit cliche though. The sheer number of guards who flooded the courtyard was overwhelming, and the idea of them laying down their weapons and surrendering is just stupid. And three men capturing a city is even stupider. Sorry to be such a downer, but it was disappointing.

I guess I could've just said that I didn't like most of the Essos scenes. Because I didn't. It was far too simplistic, and it didn't feel like it belonged in this episode. I wish they had taken some material from the season finale and swapped it with this.

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Black as Snow wrote:

 I doubt Edmure will be killed. In fact, if Blackfish is dead, he may well be the new Lord of Riverrun.

 Hmm I'll answer this because I don't think they made this very clear on the show, but I think Edmure *is*already lord of Riverrun after his father died, isn't he? I know Blackfish is pretty gangsta, but technically he doesn't rule anything from what I remember.

Heh, this is another good example of how the show managed to put everyone in the same boat (again!), because we have no idea what's gonna happen to the Blackfish either! I, for one, hope he's managed to escape somehow because I think having both Edmure and the Blackfish as prisoners/hostages/whatever wouldn't serve much purpose. Who would ransom them? One of them might end up getting killed and hell NO! I love them both too much. But if the Blackfish might escape the slaughter, I'd be curious to see what will happen at Riverrun. With the current changes on the show, I don't even know if they left some men behind or not.



-- Edited by Macha on Friday 7th of June 2013 01:47:43 PM

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Don't generally comment in here, yes, I know some of you are overjoyed in that teehee but, that those were great reviews, Lady Black clap

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Thanks, Ly. Not very detailed analysis, but I figured I'd better write something! I have so many thoughts about what might happen in the season finale...could be a great episode. I just hope it doesn't jump around quite as much as this one did. And I expect some Dragonstone, damnit!

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Thanks for clearing that up, Macha. I guess I never thought about the family tree of the Tullys. I guess it was Blackfish's authoritative nature that made me assume he was the man in charge. But he's the brother of the recently deceased Lord Tully? So yeah, it makes sense that Edmure is the new Lord Tully. He certainly gets disrespected a lot, if that's the case. I hope Blackfish made it out somehow too. He's a fun character.

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Black as Snow wrote:




 And I didn't really note whether Orell died before his eagle attacked Jon.


 Did you notice his eyes rolled back in Warging fashion tho' ?

Oh yes and can you remeber weeks ago when i was hinting at Mel's conversation  with Stan ? It was because she said about royal blood , you thought Stannis might kill his daughter and I was trying to tell you she was after Gendry ...



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Yes Yvy.  I finally got it.   And I finally rewatched the episode yesterday and noticed a few things I didn't see before.  Some of the comments about Jon Snow's fight with the wildlings were wrong.  Like the thing about the eagle.  Jon deflected the talons with his arm.  And he also looked straight at one of the direwolves attacking a wildling, so he should have recognized the wolf.  The question now is whether he actually realized the boys were there and ran off so that the wildlings to leave the area, or whether he didn't realize what it meant and ran off with the sole intention of warning the Night's Watch.  Of course, he has no reason to know any of what happened with the boys, but he might be a bit smarter than he looks. 



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