Also I'm sorry but Tommy had black hair. I had a suspicion that the young kid should have something to do with Nuckys demise, the focus on him was too apparent to not be significant. Fuck you Terrance Winter by changing hair color. ;)
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I felt as sad as Ry. And as mad as Ry. But then Arthur pointed out a little tidbit: that Tommy Darmody killed Nucky with Richard's signature kill shot. How about THAT! Under the eye or something. Also it may have made Richard role insignificant, but keep in mind that Richard was in his life for less than Gillian. And she REALLY knew how to poison a child's mind.
I still feel sad though. I really hoped Nucky would get a new start with Margaret. I'm just a freaking softie after all. But then again, I'd like to think that Gillian did give him a chance. She asked for help and he wouldn't do it. After what he promised there on the boardwalk. I think it was poetic justice of some sorts.
I loved Nucky's genius move on the Wall Street. Got Joe Kennedy and AR's widow problem sorted out in one shot and made himself money in the process.
Does it make me evil if I say that I liked Al and his son. It made me so so sad. I'm evil, I just know it.
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I didn't noticed the shot! It just seemed an interesting fact that I didn't get, but looked like a shout out to Richard.
As for Richard approving, I wonder about that actually. Because he was an oddball when it came to killing people. He wouldn't kill Nucky for Jimmy. And sure as hell wouldn't have encouraged Tommy to do so! He tried to remove the boy from that type of life after all. BUT (and usually what's after the but should be ignored ) I think that he would not have judged Tommy at all for taking revenge for his father's life. That's just my take on Richard. He wasn't big on judging others either way. Especially for sins he himself committed.
And I forgot about something. I thought it was left in the air. Does anyone else think that doc Cotton was using his patients for experiments? Because Gillian was operated on just like the other girl. I really wished they wouldn't have introduced that at all. Because they left it up in the air.
I didn't care for the Dr. Cotton experimenting angle either. I don't think it added anything. Quite the opposite, actually. I suspect there are one or two scenes that were cut from her story arc that shouldn't have been. Overall, they did a good job of juxtaposing the orphanage Gillian ran away from with the claustrophobic and caged feel of the nuthouse. And it's fitting that in the end Gillian's grandson avenges her tragic life after Nucky turns his back on her.
I was surprised to see it was Tommy. I truly thought Richard had succeeded in extracting him from the clutches of Atlantic City. It's a slap in Richard's face. But maybe that's the point: that there's no escape. In any case, there's a huge gap in that back story. Tommy needed a scene where he talks about how he ended up in Atlantic City and away from the shelter Richard provided for him. What a sad ending to his story.
Otherwise, the ending was excellent. Narcisse, Capone, Margaret, Luciano, all of their stories were nicely thought out and executed. It was the Atlantic City angle that fell far short in the end. I'm going to need to rewatch and see if I like it better. There was incredible potential that went unfulfilled, but maybe I didn't give it a fair shot because of my high expectations.
I'm so mad because it makes Richard insignificant.
Disagree. Richard would have been an amazing role model, and Tommy would have grown up to be a swell kid even with all the traumatizing shit... But Richard died! He left Tommy alone for the third time. So Tommy stayed fucked up, and without a father figure. He obviously begins investigating after, and decides to take all his shit out on Nucky (who deserves it, btw). It makes the ending of season 4 even better, since you know none of it would have happened if Richard survived.
Totally disagree. It was a lazy ending for Nuck. It would have been better to have Tommy be the better person and not cross the point of no return. They made his reason for killing Nucky because Gillian told him the things he did to her. This would make sense if Tommy didn't despise her. This makes Richard and his wife 'saving ' him pointless. Sure that's life and we cant expect a happy ending but it still nags me because getting Tommy away from her was one of the only happy moments of the series..
I did enjoy all the symbolism but it was all rather predicabl and left me unfulfilled a bit. Enjoyed the brief moment Nuck and Marg shared, that biy of what could have been, only to be jarred back to reality by the interruption of the couple and realtor.
I agree with BaS that the rest of the story arcs where handled beautifully. Loved Nucky and Eli. I'm guessing that Gillian's ladybug was a reference to her posing as a boy thief? Back before then"line was crossed" and Nucky was not a part of her life?
Here's my question. So do Nicky and Mabel try again? I thought that Mabel was founf by Nucky cradling their dead baby and the she kills herself after? Either way the depression has set in and Nuck deciding to put career first can not save her.
-- Edited by Rygar on Monday 27th of October 2014 09:13:09 AM
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It was the type of ending where I picture Terry Winter getting all the show runners together at the end of S4 and saying "Hi guys, not sure about you but I'm bored with Boredwalk, hah get it? And I think we should wrap it up in S5 but I want to put as little into it as possible so we should only have 8 EPs. The way we wrap up Nuckys story is to include flashbacks and make this a bonifide revenge story and we will show how our actions determine the course of future events ".
-- Edited by Rygar on Monday 27th of October 2014 09:14:20 AM
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You only need to stretch your imagination a bit to understand why Tommy was there. I doubt it was for Gillian, more so for his parents and essentially his whole life. He probably went soul searching while Nucky was in Cuba and found out about everything. And I think it's pretty clear that Richard's death denied Tommy of a happy ending.
He mentions mima told him all about Nucky. Or something like that.
IIRC he says something like "whenever meema told me about you I couldn't understand if you're good or bad"...
That definitely doesn't mean he came to kill Nucky because of meemah Gillian. It was just setup for the big reveal IMO. Would Gilian really tell an 8 year old (was it 8?) about how Nucky handed her over to a pedophile? Ffs, she hid that his father was dead from him, she wouldn't tell him anything about her rape. Maybe if TW does an interview he could clarify it.
Yes but she must have told him that he killed Jimmy. Or else why would he go there to see what kind of person he was? That's my issue. Tommy was put in a safe haven by Richard and there was obviously something that happened to cause Tommy to get involved. That makes me sad for Richard.
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Terry Winter has said that "Nucky giving Gillian to the commodore sends him into the downward spiral that destroys his life and hers and two more generations of her family. ". So somehow Tommy has to know what he did to her or to Jimmy.
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Hell yeah to Ry's logical reasoning of how Tommy got to Atlantic City! No way she did not say anything to Tommy. Makes no sense for the boy to be so curious about Nucky.
Also, checked the killshot Sig. It totally was like Arthur said. On the other hand Ry you were right too about the first shot to Jimmy. Under the eye. Nucky then shot him again in the head. I still like the shoutout.
Yeah, you can tell they weren't inspired about this season. They tried, but fell flat. Needless to say, I won't be watching their rock n roll series. What a waste of talent.
The rest of the season was great and I still think the finale was great too.
On Tommy, I think he obviously figured out about Nucky's role in destroying his family. But I doubt he went to AC with the intention of killing Nucky. Maybe he went there to try and figured out what exactly happened to them (Gillian lied to him big time and said that both his mom and his dad were alive and there's no way Richard's widow knew what happened (aside from them being dead).
I agree that they could have at least bridged the gap in a conversation some time in the season, but I still like it. And fuck your opinions! I definitely won't go as far as saying they ruined it. You people clearly haven't seen Dexter and How I Met Your Mother.
The rest of the season was great and I still think the finale was great too.
I agree that they could have at least bridged the gap in a conversation some time in the season, but I still like it. And fuck your opinions! I definitely won't go as far as saying they ruined it. You people clearly haven't seen Dexter and How I Met Your Mother.
who are the "you people"?! Jent what the hell are you talking about?! I loved the series, loved this season and pointed out to exactly 2 things that were left out/open and not as good as I would want them to be, on par with the rest of the storylines! 2 out of everything!
Jeez, one cannot make a constructive criticism and people are all "fuck your opinions!" (Jent, I really wish you'd have listened to Ry earlier and joined in faster )
All that being said, I feel like I should give you all a hug. BE has been a pleasure commenting it with "you people"
Watched it again. Loved it. Every detail. So much I missed on first viewing.
Episode title: El Dorado. From wikipedia "The Golden One or Man", who covered himself in gold dust and dove into a lake as an initiation rite. Imagined as place, El Dorado went from A city to a kingdome to an empire of this legendary golden king.
All the gold/yellow in the episode.
The TV = the world is moving on with or without Nucky.
Elis apt has TV in gold letters. The shaving tools to start his life anew.
The intensity of the final scene where TVP shows the past and future colliding at a rapid pace to highlight the "point of no return".
This show is right up there with all my favs. .
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The rest of the season was great and I still think the finale was great too.
I agree that they could have at least bridged the gap in a conversation some time in the season, but I still like it. And fuck your opinions! I definitely won't go as far as saying they ruined it. You people clearly haven't seen Dexter and How I Met Your Mother.
who are the "you people"?! Jent what the hell are you talking about?! I loved the series, loved this season and pointed out to exactly 2 things that were left out/open and not as good as I would want them to be, on par with the rest of the storylines! 2 out of everything!
Jeez, one cannot make a constructive criticism and people are all "fuck your opinions!" (Jent, I really wish you'd have listened to Ry earlier and joined in faster )
All that being said, I feel like I should give you all a hug. BE has been a pleasure commenting it with "you people"
I was talking about black people, thought that was obvious
Watched it again. Loved it. Every detail. So much I missed on first viewing.
Episode title: El Dorado. From wikipedia "The Golden One or Man", who covered himself in gold dust and dove into a lake as an initiation rite. Imagined as place, El Dorado went from A city to a kingdome to an empire of this legendary golden king.
All the gold/yellow in the episode.
The TV = the world is moving on with or without Nucky.
Elis apt has TV in gold letters. The shaving tools to start his life anew.
The intensity of the final scene where TVP shows the past and future colliding at a rapid pace to highlight the "point of no return".
This show is right up there with all my favs. .
It was a really good ending. Gillian just being there was disappointing after all the hype from the last episode, and it would have been nice to understand Tommy Darmudy and why he returned to AC... but otherwise perfect IMO
I agree. however I still feel the Tommy angle was a cop out and a slap in Richards face. M
Oh and he says "I couldn't tell if meema loved or hated you". Upon rewatch it's uncanny how similar he is to Jimmy. Even up to saying to Nuck how he will make back the money. God damn brown hair.
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Ry, I watched an ep randomly and I almost freaked out. Tommy tells Nucky he'll do "anything" for him. And Nucky looks at him weird and gives him money and tells him to move on. It's really creepy. I have to watch that scene again. It was like Tommy suggested something, to test Nucky. Maybe I was just imagining it. Jeez, I feel dirty just typing all of that.
I thought Mrs. AR was awesome btw. Hard to pull the whole Wall Street if AR wasn't dead and thus have the whole Margaret being threatened, going to Nucky, this one putting together a genius plan as he had his wife on the inside, and short his position and play the markets dumping at high and buying at low! IThat being said, I did miss the actor.
I'm on mobile and walking! Lol but I was so happy to see you type something! So happy.
Now I have an image of a sexy dusky lady walking down a street in boots and a leather jacket. She's smoking a cigarette and making men walk into lampposts.
I thought Mrs. AR was awesome btw. Hard to pull the whole Wall Street if AR wasn't dead and thus have the whole Margaret being threatened, going to Nucky, this one putting together a genius plan as he had his wife on the inside, and short his position and play the markets dumping at high and buying at low! IThat being said, I did miss the actor.
I think both theactor and the character deserve better than todie off screen
Forgot to post here, but bingewatched the last season in three days. I never googled the character names to see what happened to their reallife counterparts (I only recognised Capone and Hoover) so I'd be blank through the end, but now I had some fun to see which parts were real and which parts were not. I loved the last season, flashbacks and all, but the final scene was a mixed bag for me. Can someone explain to me who those agents were with Nucky in the end?
Tax agents. I'm sure Nucky, like Capone, didn't pay his taxes as he should. Also, Nucky was only based on a real person, and his fate was different than Enoch JOHNSON.
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What he said.
) I think that he would not have judged Tommy at all for taking revenge for his father's life. That's just my take on Richard. He wasn't big on judging others either way. Especially for sins he himself committed.
What a waste of talent.
who are the "you people"?! Jent what the hell are you talking about?! I loved the series, loved this season and pointed out to exactly 2 things that were left out/open and not as good as I would want them to be, on par with the rest of the storylines! 2 out of everything!
(Jent, I really wish you'd have listened to Ry earlier and joined in faster 
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dem feels man dem feels.