And then there are some interesting parallels between Jon Snow and Brynden Rivers:

- Both have distinguishing features of sorts. Jon has a scar over his his eye and Brynden lost his eye. Jon has a burned hand and Brynden a red birth mark in his neck.

- Both are bastards but with strong North-South (or Ice-Fire) bloodlines. Brynden is the son of Aegon IV Targaryen and Melissa Blackwood (descendents of the First Men). Jon is supposedly the son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark (if you adhere to this theory to make the parallel work out.)

- Both end up at the Wall where they become Lord Commanders.

- If we assume that a Targ/First Men bloodline connection is capable of producing powerful warging capabilities, Jon and Brynden's capabilities make sense (remember Varamyr's prologue. Either that or this post belongs in the Crackpot theory thread)

- Both seem to be contested characters through the eyes of others. Others seem often to be suspicious of them (their bastardry or supposed powers), or feel intimidated by them.

- Brynden becomes the three-eyed raven. Jon Snow, well. My point is if we follow the parallel, I wonder if we can assess where Jon's story will be going to in tWoW... (I'm not implying Jon is the three-eyed raven though, just that we are not done with him yet.)

I find the parallels I suggest here interesting (I'll think of more) because GRRM seems to like drawing what appears to be sometimes loose parallels between characters and events from different time frames in order to accentuate something important, or hint where a current story line might be going.

You know who Bloodraven makes me think of? Merlin.
"There, Viviane learns her magic from Merlin, who becomes enamored of her. She refuses to give him her love until he has taught her all his secrets, after which she uses her power to trap him either in the trunk of a tree or beneath a stone, depending on the story and author. " (wiki)

Because in ASoIAF your dick will be your doom.

And I stand corrected. Technically we don't know yet if Brynden Rivers or Bloodraven IS the three-eyed crow, but it's pointing to that. Amen Ly.

Well there are a few indications, but it's up to interpretation. Jojen (who knows the way he's gonna die) is getting more and more depressed, then he goes missing, then Bran is suddenly offered a dubious red paste that tastes like blood, in a chapter where Gurm abuses the phrase "the moon was crescent, thin and sharp like the blade of a knife" - seriously, he uses this about 5 times. Incidentally, a crescent moon precedes or follows the new moon, which if I'm not mistaken is described as a time for sacrifices and offerings in the Old Testament. Maybe Cary remembers better.

So dunno, but Jojenpaste sounds pretty cool to me.

I kind of remember Jojen missing. I don't remember the paste at all. I slept through the Bran chapters though, sorry.

I got nothin'

Whoa, I gotta dig in my memory banks!

www.rollingstone.com/movies/news/game-of-thrones-casts-bloodraven-role-report-20131018

Do we know about this?

Oh yeah we do ! Ha ha ! I must of missed that one

-- Edited by YvyB on Thursday 31st of October 2013 07:25:22 PM

I was asking Cary if it had a Bible significance. I read the chapter again and I think its a bit far fetched. JoJen states that he wants to go back to Grey watch. If he knows he is going to die i dont think he would be so sad. He always seems so content.

Nive Yvy, thanks for posting this :)