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MM does a great job of covering up how very bad it is going to be for Woody's character. Maggie drew the line in the sand and stuck to her guns, loved that. We'll see if they can salvage that hot mess. Shoot out, wow, could not believe MM got outta there pretty much intact, what a damn war zone. Puts the poor kid in the bath tub before he leaves , jeez, all the feels of that episode.

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There's no salvation there. Hart doesn't have a ring on anymore. However, you could tell that Maggie regretted what she said to Cohle. I'm still thinking they hook up causing the main rift between Cohle and Hart.

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I loved this episode. It's as though that awkward introductory phase is over, and things are finally coming together. The pace was better. Amazing acting all around. Cohles was chilling. He fit into that dark world so well, and yet stood apart. I loved his bad boy locker, even though the contents were a bit dubious to me. Hart's reaction to it was even more questionable. But that's just me. Dear Maggie. I'm so proud of her for respecting herself enough to walk away without a second thought. I don't know how it will play out, but I found her strength refreshing.

What didn't make sense to me were Lisa's actions. She dumped Hart. He went nuts. So she goes to his wife about their affair? In retaliation for what? She's had an angry man who thinks he's above the law rampaging through her house and attacking people. I don't see her motivation or what she stands to gain from making him even crazier. Why keep poking an angry bear when she can so easily walk away? Whoever wrote that has never poked an angry bear. Lol.

But yeah, great episode. I can't wait till next week.

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I love " why do I have to talk to you like you're a real person"Or whatever

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My pulse rate jumped up to 120 the last 15 minutes of that episode.

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Jeez, that last scene was amazing. Now I am watching it again, they made it look like giant extended scenes without cuts. So cool.
MM is electrifying, dude is gonna win an Emmy next year...for sure.

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Ok, so just to prove i've no taste, I am going to be the one saying I was very disappointed with the last filler episode . The plot didn't move anywhere, character building stalled to a halt and the action was plain boring. For the first time I was totally nonpulsed and we kept talking throughout it just to keep us entretained. The only possitive thing, I thought WH acted better this episode.

Please TD, cut out the mumbling and running around like headless chickens and get back to the plot!!!



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Awww Tir. You have taste. It definitely had different pacing. I actually enjoyed the ride. I think it was written that way so that you got swept up with what was happening to Cohle and Hart. The pulsing panic and fear of putting your life on the line. I don't think I would have wanted them to interject the Undercover scenes with the interviews or other flashbacks.

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WH was pretty great this episode, when he saw the luggage and the letter. His reaction was all you needed to know what was written in it.

“With all that dick swagger you can't spot crazy pussy?”.



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Yes. I have much more respect for both actors now.

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MM was very convincing as a coke fiend, I wanted to say. And whatever else that guy gave him, whatever special stuff. Wow.

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MM was very convincing as a coke fiend, I wanted to say. And whatever else that guy gave him, whatever special stuff. Wow.

 So convincing it was just a little scary.  I was impressed.



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Did I ever mention I kinda like MM's hair in this? It looks styled, and I don't like that usually, but it's real pwetty. But man, his "S" pronunciation really hurts my ears.

It was a very good episode. I'm still not 100% committed to the show because sometimes it just feels like too much talk that's supposed to be character development, but it's not, it's just the writers trying to be profound and clever, and it gets stale after a while. I suppose it could have worked better if it wasn't a cop show, but since it is I would like to feel the plot advancing once in a while, and it doesn't. I don't mind slow burning storylines, but here it feels like it lacks balance. However, the acting was top notch and was that scene at the end done in just one take? Masterful. I can't even imagine all the work they must have put into it.





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Macha wrote:

It was a very good episode. I'm still not 100% committed to the show because sometimes it just feels like too much talk that's supposed to be character development, but it's not, it's just the writers trying to be profound and clever, and it gets stale after a while. I suppose it could have worked better if it wasn't a cop show, but since it is I would like to feel the plot advancing once in a while, and it doesn't. I don't mind slow burning storylines, but here it feels like it lacks balance.

 This.  You've completely encapsulated my reservations about the show.  And that's what set this episode apart for me.  The only instance of profound philosophical exposition was Cohles' comment about kids to Maggie.  That, and I loved the action sequence.

I'm going to have to listen for the "S" thing you're talking about.  I've never noticed.



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That.

Is wrong. ;)

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TD stands apart, so far, because of the writing and the because the writer/producer (Nic Pizzolatto) is not traditional Hollywood. He's fairly new to the scene after having written an awesome, if not somewhat disturbing, book he published in 2010 named Galveston. He does "broken people" really well. I picked it up in 2011...don't expect any character redemption in that tale. For those who want to discover more about NP and Galveston, here's a review: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/18/books/review/Lehane-t.html?_r=0

One interesting reference in the review is the character comparison to the book "The Black Dahlia" a very dark detective novel about an LA murder many decades ago. The case was never really solved but the sequence of events to gain clues into the lifestyle of the murdered woman almost destroyed the two investigators. An awesome, spiralling book...and I see a lot of that in TD as well.

And likewise, everything is broken in TD. Broken people, broken families, broken victims, broken town....It is primarily NP's words and vision, but perhaps because of his non-Hollywood mindset, NP allows the actors and cinematographers to go crazy with their roles and responsibilities. He trusts them. I love reading and hearing that the showrunner(s) are basically letting MM go nuts with his character without micromanaged direction. That is a writer's dream to have an actor supercede the written word without too much self-indulgence.

The last 15 minutes was mesmerizing in that it seemed unplanned, like the situation Cohle found himself in, like the camera was just following him and trying to avoid the stray bullets as well. Broken people, broken story, winding its way through this broken land. That is great writing being translated to the screen by good storytellers and actors.

But what do I know? I'm just another broken fuck-up in line at the grocery store trying to describe a show about broken people and consequences. Who cares, right?



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Black as Snow wrote:
Macha wrote:

It was a very good episode. I'm still not 100% committed to the show because sometimes it just feels like too much talk that's supposed to be character development, but it's not, it's just the writers trying to be profound and clever, and it gets stale after a while. I suppose it could have worked better if it wasn't a cop show, but since it is I would like to feel the plot advancing once in a while, and it doesn't. I don't mind slow burning storylines, but here it feels like it lacks balance.

 This.  You've completely encapsulated my reservations about the show.  And that's what set this episode apart for me.  The only instance of profound philosophical exposition was Cohles' comment about kids to Maggie.  That, and I loved the action sequence.

I'm going to have to listen for the "S" thing you're talking about.  I've never noticed.

 I think both your reservations about something as minor as a few philosophical outbursts from an amazing character portrayed with superior skill is sad as you can't see past them and enjoy what is probably the greatest thing on television. Ever. 



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It's an amazing series Ry.  That's what got me hooked, but this is my only substantive issue with it.  I seriously would love to discuss philosophy with Cohles over a few drinks, but it's overdone to the point where it's distracting when he goes on and on.  Hart's reactions to it are priceless though.

 



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I've been around plenty of people who have tried LSD and mushrooms that speak in the exact same way.

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I like True Detective a lot, but we should not forget this is the shows first season. Growing pains should even out the experience going forward. Then again, the show will have a different cast every season if I understand correctly, so things could swing towards better or not.

Personally the main serial killer plot is kinda, been there done that ( so far ). I think Hannibal does a better and more interesting thing with imagery in that regard. For me the thing that elevates this show is MM, and honestly I wonder if he were not cast in this series if it would even hold up as well.

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It's fantastic that they're planning additional seasons, but you're right about MM. How do they have a successful second season without him? I can't imagine it.

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Easy.  They hire these two as the next detectives.

 



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http://nofilmschool.com/2014/02/watch-6-minute-single-take-hbo-true-detective-behind-scenes/

I thought the show had a few hidden edit points to give the illusion of continuity, but turns out the sequence was actually shot straight. Color me even more impressed!



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Some news network was talking about TD and how it is becoming the best thing on TV. Ever. Breaking Bad fans agreeing. I still hold DW and The Wire as my favorites. We are halfway to the end. Let's see how this plays out.

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Cary Storm wrote:

MM was very convincing as a coke fiend, I wanted to say. And whatever else that guy gave him, whatever special stuff. Wow.

 I have no idea how much you can snort before you overdose, but can one really take as much as Cohle did? That stuff he stole from the police locker was supposed to be the best quality. So I wanted to ask (showing my ignorance here) if it looks anything close to real.

Edit: I liked the ep. I found the pace to be extremely intense with more action than existential questions. I applauded Marty's wife who  packed the bags and left. And "spott crazy pussy"? HAHA Loved Cohle's line.



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TormundsWoman wrote:
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MM was very convincing as a coke fiend, I wanted to say. And whatever else that guy gave him, whatever special stuff. Wow.

 I have no idea how much you can snort before you overdose, but can one really take as much as Cohle did? That stuff he stole from the police locker was supposed to be the best quality. So I wanted to ask (showing my ignorance here) if it looks anything close to real.

 Well, yes, it usually takes quite a bit of coke to overdose, and plus he's developed a tolerance. 



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Oh, ok. I thought they might have overdone it. They were passing it around so much.

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Ha ha! I called it yippie she takes Woody back! Good weirwood the daughter, what a mess .  Going to interview Woody's wife next week? That'll be good.  What/why they are trying to pin something on MM, I have not figured out.



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Loved it. Loved how the Reggie Ladeux scene went down, actual and "on record" versions. Love the twist, even though saw it coming. Building up nicely


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Great episode. A switch from last week's intensity back to its usual style, but it was terrific. The change in Cohles between the flashbacks and the present have finally clicked for me. In the flashbacks, he's still figuring things out, ironing out his philosophy. In the present, he has the certainty and manner of a rebellious teenager. I'm not sure that the persona he puts forth in the present is really him or if he's playing a game with the detectives by slipping into this persona just as he did when he went back to his undercover identity.

I loved Cohles revisiting the different scenes, looking with a fresh set of eyes to see what he missed. I loved how things went down with LeDoux. I loved the Nietzsche quip, followed by integration of the theory into Cohles' worldview. I can't wait to see where the story goes from here. How can there only be three more episodes?

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Somuch symbolisim in this one. His daughters crown killed me.

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Rust is playing the two new detectives. He doesn't drink. He drinks in his interview so that what ever he says is inadmissible.  Using the Nietzsche theory. The doll cans, harts daughters dolls, something is up with Harts kids and has to tie in somewhere. Anyone else catch the black stars in the last pull away shot? I'm floored by the symbolism.



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Did not catch that, but I shall have to see the ep again anyway. Too many details to digest and many I must have missed.

Best line for me the Dewalt (or whatever his name was) to Cohle:
"I can see your soul in the edges of your eyes. It's corrosive."
But there were so many of them.

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Rust is playing the two new detectives. He doesn't drink. He drinks in his interview so that what ever he says is inadmissible.  Using the Nietzsche theory. The doll cans, harts daughters dolls, something is up with Harts kids and has to tie in somewhere. Anyone else catch the black stars in the last pull away shot? I'm floored by the symbolism.

 Yeah, I knew the black stars meant something, but I just didn't know what.  



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I watched the episode the second time, and realized that I had seen the black stars, but they hadn't really registered. The little girls and the tiara made sense the second time through. Maggie looked annoyed with Hart in every scene. She took him back, but she never forgave him. She did what she thought was best for her daughters.

Best line of the episode: "Good to finally see you commit to something." Talk about taking things in stride.

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This episode warrants a second viewing!

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This link I copied from IWC?... Might answer some questions about the black stars, the twirls and Carcosa.

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I love the stars and Yellow king references. I just hope we all dont go insane in act two. Its all a story. Told over and over. In fact us the audience are in a sense watching this on a flat circle ( our TVs) in another dimension.



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If you want to be uber spoiled, read this, it´s an interview (sort of) with Pizzolatto, the creator of the show. Here.

I tell you, if this show is going in this direction imma hate its guts... but at least now, all the author´s transparency in Rust´s endless existencial babbling bs and blahblahblah, would make sense... lots of sense. So imma hate it, bad.



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Cool peep. More for me to enjoy!

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andrea wrote:

If you want to be uber spoiled, read this, it´s an interview (sort of) with Pizzolatto, the creator of the show. Here.

I tell you, if this show is going in this direction imma hate its guts... but at least now, all the author´s transparency in Rust´s endless existencial babbling bs and blahblahblah, would make sense... lots of sense. So imma hate it, bad.

Maybe my mind is in complete shutdown at this hour, but I didn't understand a word of that. And if I did, it all sounded too precious for my taste. Just give me a good story, not a story about a story that's not the story we've been telling, but it's the audience's story. Please, I've lost my patience for this.



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I think regardless of the writers philosophical vision, we are still getting an amazing story, beautifully shot, and garnished with some of the best acting by two actors that hitherto I've been unimpressed with. The show leaves me breathless and disturbed as if walking in my own nightmare.

 

Oh and crackers



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I'm not going to read the spoiler, but I have to say that I take great pleasure from watching TD despite the pseudo-intellectual spewings. I can ignore this one flaw in an otherwise amazing series. Could there be a better show to get us through the wait for GoT? I think not.

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Hmmm might be a language thing... I´m not bashing the show or at least wasn´t my intention. Maybe I wasn´t clear enough... but lol, to be honest, it wouldn´t be just one flaw for me. It would be substantial. It´s too pretentious for my taste. I think you can say the same things without twisting your material so much. I don´t enjoy stories about storytelling... I mean, I did, just not anymore. So many did that before, in literature and in cinema.

What I tried to say was that all Rust´s philosophical puke that annoyed me before, makes perfect sense now if they are going in that direction.That´s a compliment, no matter if I like it or not. It´s consistent now. Not as many of us said tho, not because there´s people that talks like that in real life, but because it makes sense now if Pizzolatto is doing what he said.

I too think the acting is great and the atmosphere is really good. But yes! I do hate metaphores!!! and I do love simple stories.

Just not my thing but I´ll keep watching. It´s interesting and I do like it more than GoT.

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This is finally coming my way ...

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Holy fuck. Watched Ep5 again last night. Best. One. Didn't pick up that Cohles whole purpose for allowing them to interview him was to see what they have on file for the Lake Charles case. Now we are still led to believe that either he wants to see what they have because he's involved or if he wants to see if they had any additional info that he didnt already have.
I love the look he gives leaving the room and lighting the cigarette. And I love how we see Marty at his weakest, knowing that his inability to be attentive to his family is what caused his downfall, not the drinking and infidelity. He was more concerned with his receding hair than his eldest daughters cry for attention.

This may seem a stretch, but I wonder if Marty, being promoted, wasn't somehow in the loop with the "big people" involved with the murders. I doubt it, but it makes me wonder if that's a twist and a possible reason for his rift with Cohle.  I think Hart still respects Cohle, even after their big blow up. I think he's gonna try and protect him and defend him with the current probe into his possible involvement with the murders by assisting him with finding the Yellow King.

 



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I watched it again and I have to say I am intrigued by the girl's crown. Like most of you mention above and as Marty said in his interview, Cohle was totally reading the two agents. Devious mind that one.

My two cents on that is that Rust saw in the abandoned church a lot of those triangle thingies and he realized that there are a lot more murders than he previously thought. So he probably decided at some point that police work is just not going to do the job of finding the murderer. He was probably tracking these types of killings all along these 10 yrs or so since he left the force.

I finally did see the black stars on the broken window. I have no idea what that means but coincidentally Ledoux says "black stars" exactly 3 times. Coincidence?! I think not. I've got a feeling I'll be crackpot theorize the hell out of that. Until tonight when they'll probably throw some more gas on the already raging fire.

Marty's girls? Oh, they are so fitting in somewhere. I just don't know where.

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yippie Even Al is on board!

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