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Episode 402 - The Lion and the Rose *NO Book Spoilers*
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Writer: George R. R. Martin
Director: Alex Graves

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 Give us your thoughts and opinions of this episode, no book spoilers for a more detailed book to screen discussion of season four go here.



-- Edited by Macha on Sunday 13th of April 2014 05:04:24 AM

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Episode 2 thread is now open.
And another synopsis:

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These are so silly.



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Of course, thank all the Gods that the King is dead highfive I am so glad also that it was not as hard on Tyrion as it was in the book. Was nervous about that. What disturbed me was mel, sick, sick crackers . Different to see on the screen. Loved Bran's brief scene. Ellaria looked gorgeous, loved their scene with Tywin and Cersei. Loved to see Bronn and Jaime :waterdance: that was a brilliant idea. And Ramsey, that slippery POS, getting by his old man, ugh.

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FINALLY!
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Really bad pacing. and a lot of nothing. Good ending. Loved the Renly dwarf with the ass.

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mah baby shireen! Gurl, run away and adopt a new family!



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She's gonna die soon anyway Peep. ;)

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I just wanted a wedding, so the first half (or more) of the episode was just filler to me. Maybe it'll be more meaningful on the rewatch, but I really don't care about Bran and the elf kids or Stannis' creepy wife.

High points were Oberyn vs. Lannisters and Loras vs. Jaime. The Shae and Tyrion scene was painful to watch. And I'm very curious to see whether Shae is really gone.

I'm most curious about what Joffrey's death means for the kingdom. Obviously Margaery is the queen, but that's an empty title for her, isn't it? Joffrey had no heirs, and I'm fairly certain Myrcella can't take the throne. So will Tommen be crowned king? (DON'T ANSWER THAT, PEEPS. Please.)

If that's the case, my initial reaction is that Cersei is responsible for the poisoning. That explains what she got from Qyburn and why she sent Pycelle away. I assume she would be Queen Regent again until Tommen comes of age. The same reasoning would point to Tywin, even though I don't think it was him.

Otherwise, I think the Tyrells, although I'm not sure what the point would be from a political perspective. Margaery doesn't gain anything. Then again, she doesn't end up in scary Joff's clutches. *shudder*

Ugh. I just realized that we'll have more crowing from Team Stannis as though the leech actually had something to do with this. I say no. Just to be stubborn.



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She's gonna die soon anyway Peep. ;)

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Dammit. the download I had didn't have Next Week on it...

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The "hunt" scene was terrible and Myranda should just be T&A. She sucks. Ramsay vs Roose was great, the shave was a cop out and a poor way to show how broken Theon has become. Disappointed in ye Georgie boy. I guess the Bolton's don't know the NW and how they don't take part in the the Wars of Westeros to think that B and R would be stowed away up there, come on Roose, you're smarter than that. Team Stannis was a huge letdown. Mel eats, but does she poop?  Liked the Oberyn scene with Tywin and Cersei. Indra looked stunning.  Bronn and Jaime is nice, but unbelievable that Bronn would be trustworthy not to say anything.  Glad we got to hear about the Bank.  Not really.  Tyrion and Shae.  I felt that PD was forcing it there.  His acting seemed off.  Have to watch again.  

 

The wedding was the best part of the episode for me and I'm glad they spent so much time there.  I loved how they set up the death and played it so that unsullied are guessing who did it while book readers can pick up on the clues if you know what to look for.   

5/10 for me.  In comparison Ep401 was a 9/10.

 



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I'm most curious about what Joffrey's death means for the kingdom. Obviously Margaery is the queen, but that's an empty title for her, isn't it? Joffrey had no heirs, and I'm fairly certain Myrcella can't take the throne. So will Tommen be crowned king? (DON'T ANSWER THAT, PEEPS. Please.)

 Doesn't matter who rules next. Everyone knows the throne ends up Shireen's. Everyone.



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Oh sweet baby R'hllor, the last 20 mins of the episode was pure gold...the first half...not so much.

Joffreys dying face filled me with such sadistic glee....I kinda scared myself.

Full impressions after my re-watch.

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Rygar wrote:

The wedding was the best part of the episode for me and I'm glad they spent so much time there.  I loved how they set up the death and played it so that unsullied are guessing who did it while book readers can pick up on the clues if you know what to look for.   

 I know, right? Some clever camera angles gave some good clues.



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I'm most curious about what Joffrey's death means for the kingdom. Obviously Margaery is the queen, but that's an empty title for her, isn't it? Joffrey had no heirs, and I'm fairly certain Myrcella can't take the throne. So will Tommen be crowned king? (DON'T ANSWER THAT, PEEPS. Please.)

 Doesn't matter who rules next. Everyone knows the throne ends up Shireen's. Everyone.

 :dead-irri::dead-jacqui: It is known. 



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I loved how olenna just blew off mace while she was walking along with tywin :

"The grown-ups are talking, go away"

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Bad episode. I keep thinking I don't know what people see in Alex Graves, but oh well. IMO he really doesn't know how to direct his actors. Dinklage was so-so, Myranda was terrible, and Lena was very weak at the end. Also, he has no patience with his shots.
Didn't think the writing was that bad actually but everything felt chopped, rushed and some things looked really cheap (Ramsay's chase, Bran's visions, that godawful set design with the Disney lion head, ugh).

BIG points on making it a very tense second half though. You can actually hear wine being poured a couple of times, which was a great little sound effect, and I was about to jump two or three times "here it comes...now! oh...ok wait...NOW is the time! uhm no, better wait some more...ok finally NOW!" And Joffrey's face was fantastic, loved the make-up. However, I would have liked to feel even an ounce of....pity for him? It felt like they went solely for instant sadistic satisfaction, and of course that was to be expected, but I would have liked it to be directed differently. Joffrey felt angry instead of scared, and that didn't seem right or realistic.

Didn't understand why Cersei hates Pycelle so much all of a sudden, but I don't really care. Don't know where they're going with it.

Team Dragonstone's aka The Adam's Family dinner table was actually quite interesting, in terms of their dynamic. Loved that tiny little hint of jealousy shown by Selyse as she talks about Stannis making soup. Heh, making soup. GET IT. Nevermind.
Shireen rules everything. First I didn't get what that scene was about, but then when Bran's scene came after it made a bit of sense. I don't know if the WW have their god/s or not, but I'm sensing the two "sides" taking shape. And surprise, both of them are just as bad. But one of them has Stannis pouting and nailing it all the time, so GO TEAM!

Theon and the shaving scene was also quite good. His face was heartbreaking when he found out about Robb.

Oh, forgot to say how that deer saying Hodor was frankly one of the most "out there" moments of the entire series. Can't even tell if I liked it or hated it, but I laughed so much.



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Atreyu wrote:
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I'm most curious about what Joffrey's death means for the kingdom. Obviously Margaery is the queen, but that's an empty title for her, isn't it? Joffrey had no heirs, and I'm fairly certain Myrcella can't take the throne. So will Tommen be crowned king? (DON'T ANSWER THAT, PEEPS. Please.)

 Doesn't matter who rules next. Everyone knows the throne ends up Shireen's. Everyone.

  MAKE IT SO, WISE MAN!



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Aand forgot to say Oberyn is killing it. I must have heard former "Queen Regent" 5 times in that convo. Snappy snap snap.

Also, I kinda like how sassy Loras always is. Wish he could...you know...do stuff, too.

Not gonna touch on Brienne and Jaime. Not going there. No no no. Noup.

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Yes Oberyn vs Cersei was a highlight.

Loved that whole scene.  Even Tywins glare when he mentioned baby murder and raping. 



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I missed someone at the wedding! Thank god GRRM wrote that episode. The purists must be going crazy


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First the meh, Tyrion and Shae was oddly weak, even Dink! It felt rushed and her crying was just, no.

Bran's scene started ok, I liked him warging and the Reed's explaining what would happen if he warged too much was also strong, but that odd "clipshow" when he touched the tree....what was that? The tree in the vision looked cool, but past TV show clips was an odd choice.

The good, everything at the wedding. It had the right pace and everyone got to shine. I won't knock Graves, editing and directing a ginormous scene such as this would've been a logistical nightmare on the time and budget of a TV show and I feel it shined well.

Despite the clunky scenes, the episode was still quite good in my book and can't wait for more trouble this season.

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Just a quicky got to head out ...

Three things for now . . Joffs eyes and frothing mouth , fab! I cried at Sansa during the dwarf reenactment, no words, just bloody good acting ! and ... Tommen ! Whoop!

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Just perfect! haha

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Macha wrote:

Bad episode. I keep thinking I don't know what people see in Alex Graves, but oh well. IMO he really doesn't know how to direct his actors. Dinklage was so-so, Myranda was terrible, and Lena was very weak at the end. Also, he has no patience with his shots.
Didn't think the writing was that bad actually but everything felt chopped, rushed and some things looked really cheap (Ramsay's chase, Bran's visions, that godawful set design with the Disney lion head, ugh).

 Oh my goodness, i enjoyed the episode but i have to admit that this fucking head was cheap and ridiculous to death, a kind of joke i guess, it must have been done on purpose...cerseiwatch

For the rest, i have been hooked up, that's rare enough nowadays, a primary pleasure and a flavour of why i loved that story.

I agree that the Shae-Tyrion moments are quite flat, there's no real chemistry between them ans that's a pity cause Sibel is a great actress who did beautiful things in Europe (no , not the porn stuffs...), Head-on is one of my favourite movie and she really catches the light but in Got, it doesn't match...

My favourite moment was the Dreadfort scenes, Roose is juicy and we saw Fat Walda ! evileye

Fat Walda will be the one on the iron throne you sillies...



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Fat Walda will be the one on the iron throne you sillies...

 

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The one thing that irks me most of the time since the beginning of the season is the subpar performance ( I know i'm prob alone in this but that's how i feel) of Dianna Rigg. I never liked her Olenna but it's getting worse by the episode and she gets more and more lines! ugh... no, please. She's no Charles Dance. Sharp retorts, she can do. Long sentences, no. They always feel so laboured!

Save for that great "marvellous" line to Brienne in ep1, and a few snarky comments last season, all her lines are delivered in such a posy, grandilocuent manner... like a bad poetry recital. They don't feel like real conversation, and they always pull me out of the scene. Her encounter with Charles Dance was painful to watch. Well, I actually cringed at every line she said last episode. no.gif



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Asha Karina wrote:
 i have to admit that this fucking head was cheap and ridiculous to death, a kind of joke i guess, it must have been done on purpose...

I thought it was done that way to emphasize how crass Joff's idea of "entertainment" is, since that was of his planning, wasn't it?



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Tir Airgid wrote:
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 i have to admit that this fucking head was cheap and ridiculous to death, a kind of joke i guess, it must have been done on purpose...

I thought it was done that way to emphasize how crass Joff's idea of "entertainment" is, since that was of his planning, wasn't it?

 Yeah, of course it was intentional, my problem with it was that it looked too modern. It simply didn't fit in that world. no



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Macha wrote:
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 i have to admit that this fucking head was cheap and ridiculous to death, a kind of joke i guess, it must have been done on purpose...

I thought it was done that way to emphasize how crass Joff's idea of "entertainment" is, since that was of his planning, wasn't it?

 Yeah, of course it was intentional, my problem with it was that it looked too modern. It simply didn't fit in that world. no

 I see what you mean, yeah, it was a bit era jarring. There was something about it that looked more plasticky than woody or paper machey, though I doubt it was.



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when I was a kid used to watch a german tv show, it was a strange and funny sporty competition. Can´t remember the name now. I remember they use huge props, everything was 10 times bigger than normal things. Probably most of them made of foam. When I saw that lion head in the show I . Was exactly the same. Imma look for the name of that tv show.



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Also, he has no patience with his shots.

 

 

this, I fucking hate directors/editors who can't keep a same angle for 15 seconds. This is mostly true for the action/fighitng scenes, which as a result always look botched in Game of Thrones. But there have been many other moments in Thrones where I yelled DUDE STOP SWITCHING THE CAMERA ANGLE, YOU'RE MAKING ME FUCKING EPILEPTIC! I watched all three episodes so far in one go, so I'll need to rewatch if this guy in particular is to blame.

 

 

Also Andi did you find that show?



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andrea wrote:

when I was a kid used to watch a german tv show, it was a strange and funny sporty competition. Can´t remember the name now. I remember they use huge props, everything was 10 times bigger than normal things. Probably most of them made of foam. When I saw that lion head in the show I . Was exactly the same. Imma look for the name of that tv show.

 Was it a german version of "It's a Knockout"?



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 Was it a german version of "It's a Knockout"?

Had to do a little research. German show I watched was called "Telematch" (made it in the 70´s in Germany) and as "It´s a Knockout" was inspired in a french show called "Intervilles" (think that made in the 60´s). And apparently other countries had their own version of it. Competition was between teams from different towns.

I remember lotsa games in the water that were my favorites. It was dubbed into spanish,of course, but you could still hear the german so I learned to count to 10

Found the intro of the show in youtube, but it´s pretty silly and I don`t remember the fucking Disney characters. I adored that show, the games were absurd and sporty and very funny.



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