at the 12 second mark, wait a second who is standing in front of the Hound?!?!?
Brienne, mayhaps? Otherwise, one of the House Arryn guards, I would imagine.
It IS Brienne. And has me freaking out since i saw it.
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Rhaegar, despite wounding Robert, was struck down with a massive blow from Robert's warhammer, which scattered the rubies encrusted in Rhaegar's armor under the water. Rhaegar died with Lyanna Stark's name on his lips.
Having Brienne, Arya and Sandor meet was a brilliant deviation. It made me smile when in their brief chat Brienne and Arya noticed they had SO much in common.....just imagine if those two struck it out together. Aw well.
Truly amazing despite some modifications the characters still end up pretty much in sync where they are supposed to be.
Brienne is still gonna search for Arya, the hound is left for dead(??) and Arya is on her way to Braavos.
Interesting to have Varys go East with Tyrion, I think Vary's is gonna stay with Illyrio and Tyrion will then head out to Dany.
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So Jaime is back in love with Cersei? I wonder what D&D have in store for them? Is Cersei going to ask Jaime to go to Dorne and bring back Myrcella? I like this change. I never quite understood the dramatic and sudden change in feelings in the book. GRRM must never have been in love, its not something you flick off like a switch.
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Yes, why the hell does he have to sound like a half rotten version of Gandalf? But whatevs, hopefully more creepiness next season. Hated the Children-girl with her creepy eyes and her balls of fire. Pew pew pew. And is it just me but do you remember the girl from the prologue in the very first episode? I always thought she was a wight but now I'm thinking she was one of them all along...? They looked similar.
So Jaime is back in love with Cersei? I wonder what D&D have in store for them? Is Cersei going to ask Jaime to go to Dorne and bring back Myrcella? I like this change.
I thought the same, I think they're setting up his journey there for next season, at Cersei's request. Even more interesting is how will he fail, because I think there are zero chances of him getting killed like that Kingsguard, I forget his name. And if he fails to bring Mrcella back, why would he be sent to take back Riverrun- oh wait, we don't even have that storyline in the show so far. It'll be a bit weird to reintroduce the Blackfish in charge of Riverrun after so much time missing and no mention of opposition in the Riverlands.
So they cut the "whores go" crap AND the jojen paste crap, good.
Not only that, but Varys leaving King's Landing?! Wooo hoo, many possibilities here. I think he'll stay with Aegon and Jon Connington and come back with them to Westeros in S6.
I liked it. I thought it was quite packed with scenes. And if you do the comparison with the books it comes out better for screen, at least for some storylines. I'm talking about Brienne and the Hound. My girl kicked ass. I absolutely loved the fight. Thought Brienne couldn't get any better, but her fighting Sandor is better than her fighting a Sandor wanna be (Rorge). I liked the way they kept Arya denying the gift of mercy.
Jojen paste is OUT! That is not really in the books but more like a crackpot theory though I was like Mr. Storm at that: so... no paste?!
I liked the Wall. All of it. Stannis' charge was amazing IMO, and the scene with Dillane, Hinds, Harrington and Cunningham! OMG! Stannis came out just, wise, proud yet reasonable. So did Mance. I need to see that again. I just loved Dillane in that one.
JON AND MEL!!!! #NoComment. Cannot wait to see her trying to pet his... wolf.
Tyrion killing Shae and then Tywin, was some heartbreaking acting there by all involved. So was Lena taking on Dance's scene where she specifically tells him her kids are Jamie's! Not in the books but again-- amazing!
What else?! Cannot think right now at anything. Have to see the whole again.
Took me a while to process all of last night. It was kinda like a bad one-nighter, ugh. But, all was not lost, there were a few things that were good:
Good stuff: Loved Tormund, "she belongs in the North" - he was wonderful. Loved Rory's acting, he was brilliant. Loved to see Stannis arrive to save the day, looked good. Nice to see an army that won't get wiped out, at least not yet. Liked Jon Snow and Mel over the flames, she was like, "whoa!!!!", shipped that. I like when Bran wargs Hodor and makes him a badass, which needs to happen A LOT. Liked to see Summer. Arya FINALLY going to Braavos, Seven Hells, D&D, took long enough. Liked Varys going with Tyrion in the Federal Express box, works for me
Stuff I didn't give two about: Cersei telling dad she's into twincest, because I knew he was going to die, so tell him whatever kinky stuff you want, Jaime is apparently going to Dorne instead of Riverlands - don't care the North is dead, Brienne and Arya/Hound - Arya should have left last season, so don't care.
Ugh stuff: Did not think COTF looked like that, didn't think Bloodraven was creepy enough, no Drogon finish - just left it open, ugh, don't apologize for killing Shae and it was self-defense? WTF? And of course, D&D took a giant dump on fans by leaving Lady Stoneheart out, so, yep, had to run down my street screaming last night .
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Rhaegar, despite wounding Robert, was struck down with a massive blow from Robert's warhammer, which scattered the rubies encrusted in Rhaegar's armor under the water. Rhaegar died with Lyanna Stark's name on his lips.
So they cut the "whores go" crap AND the jojen paste crap, good.
Not only that, but Varys leaving King's Landing?! Wooo hoo, many possibilities here. I think he'll stay with Aegon and Jon Connington and come back with them to Westeros in S6.
Doesn't Varys leave KL in the book as well? I can see him joining w Aeg, but he may just lay low with Illyrio.
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I thought Tyrion's motivation to go to Tywin was entirely off without Tysha.
Also, since when does Tyrion know his way around the castle tunnels? In the book Varys showed him around
How so? The whole series Tyrion and Tywin have been at each other. Tywin basically tells him he wished he was dead but he's not and a Lannister by name yada yada yada. Plus finding Shae in bed w him probably pissed him off a bit.
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How so? The whole series Tyrion and Tywin have been at each other. Tywin basically tells him he wished he was dead but he's not and a Lannister by name yada yada yada. Plus finding Shae in bed w him probably pissed him off a bit.
But he didn't know Shae was going to be there.
In the book he went to Tywin's room with intent to kill him- nothing ambiguous- because of the Tysha deal.
In the show, it really doesn't seem like he had formed a goal. He just strolled along to Tywoin's room. Why not Cersei, who has been giving him just as much pain? In the books it made sense in the moment, I don't think it makes much sense in teh show. Tyrion seemed very hesitant about everything. Even killing Shae. Also, why is he telling Tywin not to call Shae a whore after he did in the trial? After he fucking KILLED her? Makes no sense. At the very least, they should have rewritten the whole scene.
By definition this is why the show won't ever be as good as the books. Why even say ANYTHING about Tysha in season 1 when the most relevant part of her backstory is to contribute to the unrest of Tyrion before he ascends the tower of the hand?
This didn't initially annoy me as much as the lack of LS reveal, but the more I think about it the more annoying it gets...
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So they cut the "whores go" crap AND the jojen paste crap, good.
Not only that, but Varys leaving King's Landing?! Wooo hoo, many possibilities here. I think he'll stay with Aegon and Jon Connington and come back with them to Westeros in S6.
But we never knew where Varys went anyway, whether or not he left King's Landing. He definitely went *somewhere* in the books while Cersei was going through her trial. Plus he can just as easily come back at the right moment to do his epilogue "We Are the Children" dance number with Kevan and Pycelle. And I have no doubt that the actor who plays Kevan will be back for at least the next seasons.
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So they cut the "whores go" crap AND the jojen paste crap, good.
Not only that, but Varys leaving King's Landing?! Wooo hoo, many possibilities here. I think he'll stay with Aegon and Jon Connington and come back with them to Westeros in S6.
But we never knew where Varys went anyway, whether or not he left King's Landing. He definitely went *somewhere* in the books while Cersei was going through her trial. Plus he can just as easily come back at the right moment to do his epilogue "We Are the Children" dance number with Kevan and Pycelle. And I have no doubt that the actor who plays Kevan will be back for at least the next seasons.
I think he'll be meeting Aegon with Tyrion next season. Then he can return to Westeros with Aegon, just in time for the assassination.
jentario wrote:Why not Cersei, who has been giving him just as much pain? In the books it made sense in the moment, I don't think it makes much sense in teh show. Tyrion seemed very hesitant about everything. Even killing Shae. Also, why is he telling Tywin not to call Shae a whore after he did in the trial? After he fucking KILLED her? Makes no sense. At the very least, they should have rewritten the whole scene.
Because Cersei isn't the one to sentence him to death knowing he wasn't didn't commit that crime. He knew that Tywin didn't believe all that crap and still he went along with it anyway because he always hated Tyrion. The reason he goes to Tywin's room is because he wants to confront him. I don't think he has a plan, it's his impulsive side taking over again, he's not thinking, he's only reacting to all he shit he's been through.
He only decides to kill him after seeing and killing Shae - btw, because Ly mentioned earlier it looked like self defense? It didn't to me, he jumped on the bed to attack her when she grabbed the knife and kept at it even after she was unarmed.
And going back to jentario's point, I think Tyrion doesn't allow Tywin to call her a whore simply because he's set on killing him but needs a final trigger, and he clings to this bit probably because deep down he knows it was him who turned Shae back to being something she didn't want to be anymore, and it pains him to hear his father degrading someone he just loved and killed.
It doesn't make it untrue, just not relevant enough for the show.
Your turn, George.
I actually thought it kinda confirmed it? Litteraly my first thought when it happened was, "yay! Jojen paste's true!" I think them killing him now means that the probability of him being already dead in adwd as we suspect, and therefore, jojenpaste to be true, just increased. The only way to know for sure is when the book comes out. I meant if, obvs. ;)
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It doesn't make it untrue, just not relevant enough for the show.
Your turn, George.
I actually thought it kinda confirmed it? Litteraly my first thought when it happened was, "yay! Jojen paste's true!" I think them killing him now means that the probability of him being already dead in adwd as we suspect, and therefore, jojenpaste to be true, just increased. The only way to know for sure is when the book comes out. I meant if, obvs. ;)
Only if Jojenpaste is made out of scorched and crispy humans. Although the implications that dragons and weirwood trees have the same diet is interesting.
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That was my first thought too, Tir.
And god,l am I happy that they didn't do that in the show. IMO it's stupid to kill off a character without even letting people know for sure. Let alone making Bran eat him.
First things first: personal pettition for Alex Graves to not direct any more Game of Thrones episodes. All his episodes have been my least favourite ones, the dullest and flatest of the lot. Plus his shots seem always kinda choppy? Dont know how to describe it. They just dont "flow" right to me. Can I trade him for Michelle McLaren next season please?
Anyhoo, I was so disappointed with this episode. And no, even though I wanted LS badly, it's not because of her. I knew she wasn't in since I saw arya/brienne in the trailer. Same with Tysha. I was ready. And it is NOT that the reason why I didn't like the episode.
I didn't like it because I had very high expectations for it, given the amazing scenes it had to deal with. But they all felt either rushed, flat or both.
Ironically, the one scene I was dreading (arya/brienne/hound) was the highlight of the episode for me. I loved it. Enjoyed quite a lot Daenerys scenes too (another thing that came very unexpectedly). And excited about varys leaving on the boat too. And that Jon/Mel shot. But the rest...
When all it's said and done I don't understand why Stannis couldn't be included last episode. Cutting the Ygritte talk/burn (I love them but that really really wasn't necessary) and adding a few mins to last ep instead of this one would have done it. And yet... I would have loved that amazing shot of Mel eyeing Jon to have been the closer of last episode. I thought perhaps Stannis would arrive during the next wall attack, and that way it'd be so climatic! (and justify them splitting the episode cause it wouldn't have fit). But nope. He just arrives rushing his horses to the forest? Really?
My main beef with the episode is the Tyrion scenes. They were so soooooo rushed!!!!! They lacked an ounce of the emotional ressonance they had in the books. As a fan of show!Shae I was expecting to be crushed Oberyn style with her death, and yet I was left completely cold. The "tyrion wakes up just as jaime comes to save him" convo was terrible. Didn't that scene deserve a bit more buildup, more tension? And the death of Tywin was one of the scenes I anticipated the most watching, but onscreen seemed so much blander... I was bummed at how that played out.
And then... WTF with the POTC skelletons and the videogame fireballs? How is that intriguing, eerie, or anything to add and not sustract from the whole cotf/bloodraven convo? I can even forgive them the unimaginative make up on them both. But the walking skelletons? the fireballs? if they were going that route, they should've just had some strange hands coming from the lake, pulling them down and fully pulling jojen. But seeing them fully fledge, all strings attached, it was comical. I fully expected a western style pianola to start autoplaying some catchy tune and them to start dancing.
I am aware that if I had been unsullied I'd probably have liked it more. (not the skelletons, never the skelletons). But I thought these storylines deserved better. I thought they could do better.
Maybe I expected too much, idk. I think I'm gonna need some time to process it. Maybe watching it with Mr Tir will change my mind, make me see it with different eyes. But rn, instead of being exited for next season, i feel kinda... disheartened.
-- Edited by Tir Airgid on Monday 16th of June 2014 02:04:58 PM
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about: Cersei telling dad she's into twincest, because I knew he was going to die, so tell him whatever kinky stuff you want, Jaime is apparently going to Dorne instead of Riverlands - don't care the North is dead, Brienne and Arya/Hound - Arya should have left last season, so don't care.
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if they were going that route, they should've just had some strange hands coming from the lake, pulling them down and fully pulling jojen. But seeing them fully fledge, all strings attached, it was comical. I fully expected a western style pianola to start autoplaying some catchy tune and them to start dancing. 
