In the preview episode, "Tyrion lends Jaime a hand."

This refers to the loaning of his sellsword (rather than Ilyn Payne), I presume?

Nailed it!

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Still makes no sense to use Bronn other than to give him more screen time. A ruthless mercenary who likes to drink and whore around is going to keep schtum about Jaime's skills as a swordsman evaporating.........right.

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 I thought they did rather well.  The question now is, did Bronn betray Tyrion regarding Shae? 

I am sure Tywin paid off Bronn to NOT send Shae away and to stay mum about it.

So QoT kerplunked Sansas gem in Joffs cup. I missed the hairnet though. Now I have to check ep 1 and see if Sansas necklace was indeed the one QoT threw away ....

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Love the shot at 1:29

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 DAT FACE! So perfect!

Oh and THIS is awesome.

http://io9.com/the-50-greatest-tweets-about-last-nights-game-of-throne-1562973054

Al Swearengen wrote:

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Still makes no sense to use Bronn other than to give him more screen time. A ruthless mercenary who likes to drink and whore around is going to keep schtum about Jaime's skills as a swordsman evaporating.........right.

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 To me, Bronn is just loyal to the highest bidder (without endangering his life too much, of course). He has no reason to tell people about Jaime, since he's being paid for it. Who'd question him about it anyway? He doesn't seem like he'd start spewing everything when he's drunk, he never did so far if I remember correctly.

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But that's the thing, there is always a higher bid.
I agree it makes sense to use Bronn and it works here for now but a recast Ilyn Payne would have served better.

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 Bronn over a mute ANY DAY! Ilyn Payne is irrelevant in the TV show.

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But that's the thing, there is always a higher bid.

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 True, but are the stakes really that high? It's fairly obvious he wouldn't be as good, who'd actually pay Bronn better than Jaime pays him just to tell him that?

I think that, being a minor part, they decided not to recast Ilyn Payne out of respect for the actor. And If this gives us another good pairing that wasn't in the books, I think that's pretty neat.

Just a bit sad, there won't be a villian as good ever again, the books tried to make Ramsay into a pseudo Joffrey, but it never quite worked the same for me.

Odd and hilarious, lots of folks think Tywin did it too!

DonalNoyesArm wrote:

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 Since Alliser is probably gonna die during the battle making Jon the new acting commander.

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 Right, I forgot that Donal was acting commander in the books. Sounds spot on.

Perhaps Locke would take the place of Bowen Marsh although Marsh had his loyalty to the watch and Locke obviously...wouldn't?

Maybe Roose betrays him after all and Tywin sends him there as retribution for Jaime's hand, but then what reason would he have then to follow Roose's orders re:Bran and Rickon. There's not much he can do there anyway, once he sees Jon is not hiding them.

Weird complication, but I'm glad they're trying to keep Noah Taylor longer on the show.

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I always thought that the "smuggled poison" bit was a bit odd in both the books and now the tv show.
Why go through the trouble to give the poisoned necklace to Sansa? No one was frisked or searched during the wedding so Olenna could've worn the necklace herself or even hidden the poison crystal elsewhere?

Sansa, could've changed her mind and not worn the necklace, and the plan would've been torpedoed right then and there.

Also Oberyn's grape sucking/gaze towards Loras pretty much confirms D & D want another floppy wiener scene, even though the Tyrell's and Martell's despise each other with a passion

Question about greyscale, is it contagious through touch?

How do we feel about Bran's weirwood vision? The glimpses of Ned makes me think Bran will reveal what happened to Lyanna. On the show at least.

And that's the second time we've seen The Iron Throne covered in snow. Recycling old footage or a taste of how Varys fucked Kings Landing by offing Kevan Lannister?

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Al Swearengen wrote:

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Myranda or however you spell her name is a pointless character smh.

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 I don't think Myranda's going to make it too long. 

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 I hope an accident happens to her soon! that scene the Ramsay girl chase was sick.

Just watched the wedding on iPad w headphones. You can hear a "Kerplunk" when QoT walks past Joff after taking the stone off Sansas necklace. It could be one of the jugglers in the foreground making the noise, but you can see slight movement of the QoTs Right hand before you hear the sound, the same hand she uses to take the gem.

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Al Swearengen wrote:

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My guess is they'll put it down to Mel's "witchcraft" for not getting infected. The audience at this stage aren't really aware of greyscale and they did witness Mel survive an attempted poisoning.

I am not really bugged by it that much was just curious. Thanks TW.

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 Actually Sireens facial deformity is the renmant from her disease, but the bug/virus itself has been cured from her. That is why she can hug Stannis and be around others, the illness is gone, only the scars remain.

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Ahh that's right, thanks Don!

Elio and Linda can go a

And the whole "actors should read the books" bit, some of the best actors in the show have not read the books, and some of the weakest ones have. The source material is irrelevant since it is an adaptation, the script is the bible, not the books.

Adaptation. A composition written into a new form.

They really need to stop being so obtuse. Or have sex more than once a year on Elios birthday.

DonalNoyesArm wrote:

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Elio and Linda can go a

And the whole "actors should read the books" bit, some of the best actors in the show have not read the books, and some of the weakest ones have. The source material is irrelevant since it is an adaptation, the script is the bible, not the books.

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Disagree completely those actors would benefit greatly by having a greater insight into the characters. As good as D & D are they'll never be in the same league as George.

Some of the Tv show characters are quite different from their book counterparts, some even improve upon them. Dink won an Emmy before even reading a page and Dance is perfection and he says the scripts and direction are the only thing he needs.

In any case, it depends from actor to actor I suppose.

Amsterpaul wrote:

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Am I the only one who missed Penny? WTF?

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I think they left it quite open that one of these little performers could have been a . I'm not saying it was definite.

 

Amsterpaul wrote:

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Victarion had better not be out Cary! I will hold you personally accountable for his deletion. 

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 I'm just saying that they're pretty well playing up Doran while ignoring the nuncles.  And if they can't hold onto all of them, they're going to have to cut someone. 

On the other hand, it looks like Vicky is pretty important down the road in the Meereen storyline, so if they stick with the books, someone will be coming to rescue the Dragonqueen in distress (although unaware that she won't be there.)

Try to show up some time when I'm logged in, Paul. I miss your mugg. 

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DonalNoyesArm wrote:

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Some of the Tv show characters are quite different from their book counterparts, some even improve upon them. Dink won an Emmy before even reading a page and Dance is perfection and he says the scripts and direction are the only thing he needs.

In any case, it depends from actor to actor I suppose.

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I also think that the way they changed Tyrion from the books fits better with the new Shae and the exclusion of Penny. After all Penny was written as a prop for Tyrion to provide a softer side, a development that in the books is gradual for the Lannister. In this case though they have already shown that with Shae. The protectiveness Tyrion feels for his lover is a semblance of what he feels for Penny, though obviously lacks the love and desire portion. I don't know quite how to explain it.

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 But Tyrion/Penny is not about showing a softer side, in my opinion. It's about Tyrion coming to grips with his own dwarfism. Up until Penny he's always been able to play it off comically. After Penny came along it became something he had to take seriously, because it wasn't just his unique thing anymore.