I still think Penny will be in the show, the way he met her in the book was a bit ham-fisted and overly coincidental.
She could be on the ship he escapes Westeros with or maybe a little later once he already crossed the Narrow sea. I think seeing the perspective of a dwarf in Westeros without privilege will make for some good story for Dink to play off of.
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Actually Sireens facial deformity is the renmant from her disease, but the bug/virus itself has been cured from her. That is why she can hug Stannis and be around others, the illness is gone, only the scars remain.
But, but Don... The Snow White at the Wall said that's not true! That Shireen's only cure is a soft pillow over her face or a knife. That's why I left it wide open there.
Not that I really believe her, Mr. Storm. I know what you'llsay she's just a wilding, what does she know? #ValKnowsNothing
I think Sam needs to be there for the battle and Jon's election - it was his doing anyway that got Jon there. Perhaps they'll drop the raven thing, but Sam has to be there. Plus, Jon has no reason to send him away yet, nor do they have a baby to switch.
Don't get me wrong the Bronn and Jaime scene was enjoyable and I am sure they'll be entertaining down the road If Bronn completely takes over Payne's role. It's just not a wise choice for Jaime to choose Bronn, seconds into their training session he's already blabbing about banging a knights wife, I'd hardly call that discretion.
Bronn is a character who's arc I'd be willing to see altered. Jerome Flynn is just too good in the role to be left at Stokeworth manor making babies with Lolly Him replacing Payne or accompanying Tyrion in Essos would be better for the show IMO.
Plus, Jon has no reason to send him away yet, nor do they have a baby to switch.
Well that was my first thoughts when I saw the clip ! Sam can't go yet ! It's too early . Maybe he is just getting them to safety for the time being ...
You don't think they're sending Gilly and Sam off to Oldtown this early do you? Has there been any word about Val or Mance's wife being cast for this or next season?
You don't think they're sending Gilly and Sam off to Oldtown this early do you? Has there been any word about Val or Mance's wife being cast for this or next season?
Over at westeros there were some rumors that
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they're replacing Mance's baby (the switching thing) with another one of Craster's that they save in ep.3 or 4.
And no it doesn't make sense to me either, but maybe D&D know that they can alter that storyline and get to more or less the same place as the books...eventually.
About Val, I have no idea but she doesn't do anything in the books, so she'd be useless on the show so far. The only important thing in the books is that she brought Tormund, who in the show will most likely end up at the Wall after the battle anyway.
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Val isn't a major character by any means but in my mind she's one hot piece of wildling ass. So we must have her to fulfill the T & A quota!
If they aren't going to use Mance's baby then just ditch the whole idea altogether. That area isn't really a safe place for Gilly to raise her child and Sam still needs to travel to Oldtown to study to become a maester.
From one of Alfie's interviews: "There’s more to come from Yara, definitely. Gemma Whelan does a fantastic job of doing it ,and yes, I’m really glad that I get to do stuff with her… I mean, yes. She comes back to save me. So we will see what happens after."
Da fuck is this??? I always thought she'd never make it to the Dreadfort.
We'll get Asha/ that's Yara!/ at Dreadfort?! "I get to do stuff with her!!!!" oh boy, it could mean that she tries at least, to save Theon. Exciting stuff!
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Question about greyscale, is it contagious through touch?
Yes, I believe it is. JonCon got it when he was saving Tyrion in the water. And he warned him not to let them touch him.
Somehow though the kids survive and apparently in the show Mel can touch Sheerien without getting it?!
If you survive the greyscale, you are no longer contagious (wich the wildlings don't believe , Val suspects Shireen to be dangerous though). Well sorry, Don already said it, i like speaking to say nothing, it's so french !
So Asha in Dreadfort...When is she supposed to meet team dragonstone ?
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From one of Alfie's interviews: "There’s more to come from Yara, definitely. Gemma Whelan does a fantastic job of doing it ,and yes, I’m really glad that I get to do stuff with her… I mean, yes. She comes back to save me. So we will see what happens after."
Da fuck is this??? I always thought she'd never make it to the Dreadfort.
i thought the same! Veeeeeery curious about what they'll do. But if it serves to flesh her storyline so that next season the shift of focus towards the greyjoys doesn't come up as so left field, i welcome it. it scares me though. what if they kill her?
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Uh oh. During Linda and Elio's preview of season 4 they mentioned that something happens in episode 3 that could divide book fans. I wonder if they're referring to Alfie's comments.
Roose has sent Ramsay and Reek to Moat Calin so hopefully Yara has been positioned there and D & D aren't attempting a radical change.
From one of Alfie's interviews: "There’s more to come from Yara, definitely. Gemma Whelan does a fantastic job of doing it ,and yes, I’m really glad that I get to do stuff with her… I mean, yes. She comes back to save me. So we will see what happens after."
Da fuck is this??? I always thought she'd never make it to the Dreadfort.
i thought the same! Veeeeeery curious about what they'll do. But if it serves to flesh her storyline so that next season the shift of focus towards the greyjoys doesn't come up as so left field, i welcome it. it scares me though. what if they kill her?
Don't you dare !
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Uh oh. During Linda and Elio's preview of season 4 they mentioned that something happens in episode 3 that could divide book fans. I wonder if they're referring to Alfie's comments.
Roose has sent Ramsay and Reek to Moat Calin so hopefully Yara has been positioned there and D & D aren't attempting a radical change.
I hate when they say stuff like that! I mean what does that even MEAN?! Ugh..
Yara/Asha simply has to survive. I mean she's the only one from the Greyjoys who has continuity and is an established character besides Theon. How many can you cut off when you already have to kill some main ones anyway... Baleon is due, right? And they haven't even introduced Vic or Euron or Damphair (I assume the last one gets the ax anyway)
One thing's for sure, she won't be saving anyone. Theon has to go with the Boltons to Winterfell and regain his dignity there. It's way too important for his character to be left out or altered, not to mention it was perhaps the only part of ADwD which worked really good on paper.
But they wouldn't rush to kill her off with no reason now, not after a season where she's been completely absent.
Being taken a prisoner by the Boltons is hardly an option either, because it would be way too repetitive and serve no reason.
I don't know what's left, other than she reaches the Dreadford when Theon and Ramsay are on their way to Moat Cailin and she follows them there? I have no idea. I doubt it will be a huuuge change, perhaps it will be something like it was in S2 with Theon and Ramsay who wasn't at Winterfell like we expected.
I'd be fine with killing off Asha considering how badly they've botched the casting. Gemma's a nice lass and all but she really doesn't suit that character.
Pedro came in and made me eat my words but Gemma's done nothing to prove me wrong.
I'd be fine with killing off Asha considering how badly they've botched the casting. Gemma's a nice lass and all but she really doesn't suit that character.
Pedro came in and made me eat my words but Gemma's done nothing to prove me wrong.
wut??? noooooooooooo!
I could barely stand cartoony book Asha but I looooooooove show Asha. And I frigging love how Gemma plays it.
show Asha 3000%>>>>>>> book Asha
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I've heard that the divisive incident in ep3 that Elio mentions is the altar sex scene, which apparently the show makes rapey. we'll see soon I guess...
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I'd be fine with killing off Asha considering how badly they've botched the casting. Gemma's a nice lass and all but she really doesn't suit that character.
Pedro came in and made me eat my words but Gemma's done nothing to prove me wrong.
wut??? noooooooooooo!
I could barely stand cartoony book Asha but I looooooooove show Asha. And I frigging love how Gemma plays it.
show Asha 3000%>>>>>>> book Asha
he don' know what he talkin' bout
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I've heard that the divisive incident in ep3 that Elio mentions is the altar sex scene, which apparently the show makes rapey. we'll see soon I guess...
Yep. From what I hear, Yara is sailing on the Dreadfort in ep. 6.
And I agree, TV-Yara is a big improvement on book Asha, let's hope she stays that way.
getting in line to slap Al. Show Asha is so much better.
Don´t remember the altar scene at all.
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Or is that one when she someone?
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Umm.. Ry, your memory might be a little faulty. It was where they did it that bothered her! Otherwise, I can only quote Cersei (yes, I looked it up! I had to because I knew I could not be THAT mistaken):
"Hurry," she was whispering now, "quickly, quickly, now, do it now, do me now. Jaime Jaime Jaime."
Ok I did NOT like the Jamie turning rapist thing! Cripes I can only imagine what will happen with the ones who think the producers should stick the the books' storylines
OMG! Tywin & Oberyn exchange was like dialog and acting porn. #HouseMartellBitches!!!! He recognized the power of Dorne. He even mentioned they were the ONLY ones who stood apart and were never conquered with all the Targ dragons in the Aegon's side! YAY!!!!! I am so happy with that I don't know what to do with myself!
Oh, and I love Show!Davos. And Shireen too! I hope that grey scale thing is truly gone and the wildlings really know nothing abt it.
BUT: OMG! Did I mentioned the Tywin & Oberyn showdown?! (nevermind the fifthsome )
I thought they did it when Tywin was in the sept.. so there ya go and watching it on screen , looked like she didn't want to but was grabbing onto his clothes all the same ..
She said No. Then afterwards said that he shouldn't have.
Was this like the No she kept saying when Bran saw them in the books? Because this scene reminded me a lot of that chapter.
Yes, I think the show made it clear that she didn't want it, but only after she started crying and kissing him and whooops, I just saw that golden hand that I made for you and told you it was lovely but NOPE, get the hell away from me. Come on. I really don't care for this change, its purpose was only to accelerate what took longer in the books, which was her rejection of Jaime and him realizing she was only using him this whole time.
Oh, and that little boy that escaped the butchering will totally stay at Castle Black and put an arrow in Ygritte's lovely neck during the battle. Make it happen, HBO.
I also see it as him hating himself for loving her all this time. It was like a final fuck. Then "There , I'm done. " or will that not happen 'til his convo with Tyrion ...
Watched the scene again and I take what I said earlier back. Actually, I don't think the show makes anything clear at all, because she's clearly kissing him back at some point and fumbling with his clothes. Ambiguous, I'd say, and it fits her character and their dynamic.
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I'd be fine with killing off Asha considering how badly they've botched the casting. Gemma's a nice lass and all but she really doesn't suit that character.
Pedro came in and made me eat my words but Gemma's done nothing to prove me wrong.
Yep, I'm with you, Al. I am touched by the show Yara's feelings for her little brother, that aside, meh.
Yeah, book Asha was HOT and sexy and men desired her and she was a bad ass. The show one looks gender confused to me. I'm sure Gemma is a lovely lady off screen, don't like what they did with her character.
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I think Gemma Whelan is really cute. They ugly her up in the show but she's genuinely attractive. I like her realistic take on the character, otherwise Asha would just be Kitiara. BaZing!
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Oh, Boy! look at one interview Alex Graves is giving to Hollywood Reporter!
Q: This feels like Tywin's episode. What was filming his scene with him and Tommen like?
A: That was one of the greatest days I've ever had filming. To film Charles (Dance) kidnapping Lena's son with words for three minutes of monologue -- and to have Lena keeping up with him at the highest bar of acting possible with no words at all -- was a joy. It was directorial crack to do that scene. It was one of my favorite scenes I've ever shot. It's almost like a build from Ordinary People meets a Hitchcock movie, because you're sitting here going, "This is so dysfunctional and bizarre." She's a wreck. Tywin is really going on about this historical stuff, and you slowly start to go, "He's kidnapping her only boy," because she's not going to have him anymore. And then he succeeds, and then Jaime comes in and he rapes her. That was like -- you read the scene and go, "Wait, who's directing this?"
Later in the interview he says he's never been more excited about filming "forced sex" scene! I'm speechless. So it was totally intended to come out that way then..
I can only say that somehow they must know more about where Jaime is going. Maybe he's not redeeming himself by the end of ASoIaF after all. Who knows. Let me go and read one of his chapters where he defends Brienne or Pia at Harrenhall from rapists. Maybe read again how he wanted to charge in Aegon's room to save his queen from being abused!!! Jeez, Jaime was definitely not rapist material!
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It fits perfectly with Jaime's character development. And if anything it helps demonstrate that he no longer is doing what Cersei wants. He is acting on his own here. Not wanting to murder Tyrion. Old Jaime would have probably would have agreef to do it if it meant being with Cersei and her being happy.
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I can only say that somehow they must know more about where Jaime is going. Maybe he's not redeeming himself by the end of ASoIaF after all. Who knows. Let me go and read one of his chapters where he defends Brienne or Pia at Harrenhall from rapists. Maybe read again how he wanted to charge in Aegon's room to save his queen from being abused!!! Jeez, Jaime was definitely not rapist material! - TW.
Yep, I'm with you. I'm a literal woman though. I'm glad you spelled that out for me, TW. I didn't see Jaime from the book that way either.
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It fits perfectly with Jaime's character development. And if anything it helps demonstrate that he no longer is doing what Cersei wants. He is acting on his own here. Not wanting to murder Tyrion. Old Jaime would have probably would have agreef to do it if it meant being with Cersei and her being happy.
Agreed 100%.
Redemption or not, he was hardly a saint in the books, even at this point. This is the same man that told Edmure "You'll want your child, I expect. I'll send him to you when he's born. With a trebuchet." And while one may argue that he would never have acted on it, truth remains that Jaime does heroic deeds from time to time, but he's not a hero. His moral standing on rape when it comes to Brienne or Pia is different, because he respects one and pities the other. He has no such feelings for Cersei (of course he wanted to stop Robert, he was screwing the woman *he* loved), and like Rygar said, this is the moment where he breaks from under her influence. I'm not interested in cataloging it rape or hate sex, but I thought it was a great scene that is very telling in terms of character development. If it works for the bigger picture on the show, then it works for me.
she's just a wilding, what does she know? #ValKnowsNothing
I always thought she'd never make it to the Dreadfort.
is so fucked after next season.
ha ha ha ha!
wut??? noooooooooooo!
he don' know what he talkin' bout
someone?
Whatever. 
Ry, stop trolling! She said "not here".. then SHE kissed him and well, I already quoted the last line she coherently said.