The books Don. It is known! I think this whole thing is planned. I do however think we're seeing the Battle of Ice. If we'll see the aftermath or they leave it hanging is another matter...
he might "finish" - and by finish i mean, allow his publishers to rush whatever he has out the doors and call it a pook! - twow next year, after season 6, but pook! seven? forget about it.
Synopsis: Synopsis: Stannis marches. Dany is surrounded by strangers. Cersei (Lena Headey) seeks forgiveness. Jon is challenged.
1. Battle of Winterfell prelude 2. Dothraki Sea 3. Walk of Shame 4. For the Watch
I think Ramsay vs Stannis will open the episode and end in a cliffhanger, then we get the Pink Letter at the end and FTW. The middle of the episode will mostly be King's Landing (the Walk, Mountainstein and the Varys killing spree) and setup for season 6. I think Sam will be sent to Oldtown (if not already in episode 9), Dany in the Dothraki Sea with Drogon (hopefully some Viserys/Drogo/Jorah/Barristan? hallucinations too!) and probably but hopefully not the Dothraki. We'll likely get a hint at what Arya will be doing in season 6, maybe (if Sam leaves in episode 9) have the good old Sam/Arya meeting and possibly Jaqen getting on Sam's ship to Oldtown. We'll have closure on Stannis, Sansa, the Boltons and Theon: I think they'll escape late in episode 8 or during episode 9 and arrive at Stannis's camp for the pre-battle events- and then Ramsay reacts to their escape by launching the assault (which will mostly happen off screen, aside from a few exciting CGI shots).
Also, Varys' murders are happening, otherwise they wouldn't have brought Kevan back. Who does he kill in the show? A lot of names were thrown around. Kevan is obvious, Pycelle less so. Fans have suggested Tommen and Olenna. Imagine if Varys kills Littlefinger (lol! wouldn't that fuck Sansa and his plans), which would be a neat end to their rivalry (that has been a big part of the show, and has ended with Littlefinger on top so far).
Oh, we'll see Yara and Balon again, I'm willing to bet. His death scene, finally.
For reference on my thoughts about the battle near Winterfell, we've seen interviews of both Stephen and Iwan in a similar foresty snowy area with blood on their faces. Aaaaand Sophie said in an interview that her storyline ends ambiguous.
Alright, who is that head Other? Is he the Ice God that Melly Sanders is afraid of?
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Rhaegar, despite wounding Robert, was struck down with a massive blow from Robert's warhammer, which scattered the rubies encrusted in Rhaegar's armor under the water. Rhaegar died with Lyanna Stark's name on his lips.
Rhaegar, despite wounding Robert, was struck down with a massive blow from Robert's warhammer, which scattered the rubies encrusted in Rhaegar's armor under the water. Rhaegar died with Lyanna Stark's name on his lips.
I yelled at the Other vs Jon Snow crossing swords without breaking: "That's right, bitch! Valyrian Steel!" And then it was pointed out that's a spoiler for the books Did anyone else thought it was? Cause I sure always read dragon steel as Valyrian Steel.
Gonna be a lot of nerds spooging about the +5 vorpal swords of Westeros having the ability to kill WW.
Nerd 1: "See, fuckface! I told you five years ago Valyrian steel can kill White Walkers! Here's a link to my post, loser."
Nerd 2: "Yeah, well. We don't know if that's how it happens in the books, asshole."
Nerd 1: "You're the asshole."
Nerd 2: "Fuck you."
Nerd 1: "Fuck you."
Scene fades as the two gently kiss and one gently lowers the other onto a pile of empty Doritos bags. Sound of zippers undone. Then awkward nerd fuckings commence.
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Gonna be a lot of nerds spooging about the +5 vorpal swords of Westeros having the ability to kill WW.
Nerd 1: "See, fuckface! I told you five years ago Valyrian steel can kill White Walkers! Here's a link to my post, loser." Nerd 2: "Yeah, well. We don't know if that's how it happens in the books, asshole." Nerd 1: "You're the asshole." Nerd 2: "Fuck you." Nerd 1: "Fuck you."
Scene fades as the two gently kiss and one gently lowers the other onto a pile of empty Doritos bags. Sound of zippers undone. Then awkward nerd fuckings commence.
I rescind my previous post in the other thread. THIS wins the internet for today.
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I was wondering if perhaps D & D might of pulled Benjen Stark out of their ass this episode, but alas it seems he's a goner
The stuff with Tyrion and Dany, I just can't take any of it serious. It's too fan fiction'ish for my tastes, and that line about Dany breaking the wheel, god that was so corny
Agreed Al. Tyrion and Dany was meh. It was inevitable but if Tyrions sole purpose for the rest of the show is to only be an advisor to Dany now, then Ill probably need some new cotton swabs to jam into my eardrums.
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Someone posted at WotW. Skeleton army are not wights. They can be killed with weapons. Wights have to be burned. WW have to be draginglassed or Valyrian steeled or have buckets of salt water poured on them.
Or Dany can get off her fat ass and burn them all with dragonfire.
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Is it just more or are D & D beginning to beat us over the head with Olly? I feel like they've made it way too obvious that he's going to shank Jon.
Only because you read ADWD and know whats coming. D&D dont have a POV of someone plotting to overthrow Jon or have a scene with Mel where she tells him he is going to die. In the book it was obvious something bad would happen. D&D are being more subtle. Sams response to Olly could be viewed as Olly accepting that Jon may have a valid reason for uniting the wildlings. In fact that is how I viewed that scene, although I know that it was Olly accepting that HE must make the decision to do something drastic.
-- Edited by Rygar on Monday 1st of June 2015 01:01:36 PM
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Is it just more or are D & D beginning to beat us over the head with Olly? I feel like they've made it way too obvious that he's going to shank Jon.
Only because you read ADWD and know whats coming. D&D dont have a POV of someone plotting to overthrow Jon or have a scene with Mel where she tells him he is going to die. I. The book it was obvious something bad would happen. D&D are being more subtle. Sams response to Olly could be viewed as Olly accepting that Jon may have a valid reason for uniting the wildlings.
I have to disagree, they've cut to Olly so many times now that I have to think some Unsullied have at least an idea that the character is going to do something. I don't see the subtly though, we've had far too many scenes with Olly displaying his displeasure and frustration with Jon's actions. IF Olly is indeed going to shank him then it has been telegraphed.
My hope is that D & D are actually using Olly as a Red Herring. I doubt it though, doesn't seem like their style.
Oh come on. Yeah he may not be happy about it, but a Caeseresque mutiny/stabbing? You cant deceipher that from the scenes theyve shown. Olly WOULD be upset that Jons doing this. So would most the NW, as they have shown. But no one has mentioned a mutiny nor given the viewer any reason to think otherwise, especially after last episode and showing both the surviving NW and Wildlings at Hardhome how important it is to band together. I would think that when they get back there will be little resistance to joining each other after they tell the brothers at the Wall what happened.
Sure once it happens you can look back and say, yeah it makes sense, but right now there is no reason to suspect anything like murdering your Lord Commander.
-- Edited by Rygar on Monday 1st of June 2015 01:22:27 PM
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I agree Ry. Sure, it's obvious that Olly is being emphasised and may do something, but its a leap for someone to be able to guess exactly what he'll do. Especially since Jon is seen as untouchable by most unsullied. And I really haven't seen many unsullied predicting exactly what will happen. Sure, some have, but it wouldn't be a decent twist if no-one could predict it.
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Question: Do wights decompose? Most of the WW army were skeletons. Or can Walkers raise any dead, not just those killed by wights or WWs?
I think that if they can turn a baby that's still alive, they can definitely raise any dead.
But also someone could be killed by a wight, let's say, and he'd still be rotting until a WW would come along and revive him, no? I think that explains the skeletons, *or* wights could actually decompose in time, wouldn't be impossible.
judging by jon's urging of Stannis to burn the bodies of the wildlings he killed, i think everyone that dies will turn into a wight if the corpse is not burned.
From what I read, the WW have the abilty to create wights and raise the dead. The dead (most of the skeletons in the battle) are "food" for the wights. They can be killed by weapons. The wights need to be burned. However if you burn all the dead, then they can not be raised or turned to wights.
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There is no difference between dead and wights, the decomposed ones are just old corpses that were raised after spending time decomposing, that's the only different. Just look at those that were immediately raised by the WW King, no time to decompose there. I guess the WW just look around for buried corpses to raised as a way to increase the number of wights. Remember that dead rising is a recent thing in the story, so there's probably a lot of dead lying around for the WW's to raise.
Speaking of burning, we all kind of assume the dragons will roast the WW, but the WW that got shattered by Jon this episode didn't even flinch when he entered the burning hut, he put the fire out easily.
I don't think there has been any indication that dragon fire is different from normal fire, so Dany's dragons could be useful against wights, but that's it. The WWs would still have to be killed with dragonglass/ valyrian swords.
Speaking of burning, we all kind of assume the dragons will roast the WW, but the WW that got shattered by Jon this episode didn't even flinch when he entered the burning hut, he put the fire out easily. I don't think there has been any indication that dragon fire is different from normal fire, so Dany's dragons could be useful against wights, but that's it. The WWs would still have to be killed with dragonglass/ valyrian swords.
Or Wun Wun's feet.
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Macha, I think the dragons were meant for mass destruction of the Undead army aka skeletons and zombies. However... Now we know that dragon steel is Valyrian steel . It may be that that dragon fire might be special after all somehow. But maybe not.
The dragons were meant to melt the wall. The White Walkers are not the Big Bad. They are just another faction in Westeros; the world is out of balance and is in the process of correcting.
Sheeesh. Do you even read, bro?
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Hmm, ok, I get that, I forgot about how Valyrian steel was forged.
On another note, maybe they don't even need to fight the entire wight army. If the WWs resurrected them, perhaps they are also the ones that keep them "alive". They could just focus on finding and killing all the WWs (we saw 13 so far, didn't we?) instead of bothering with a huge invincible army. Not that it would be easy, but I think it would be easier, with the right weapons.
Did anyone else thought it was? Cause I sure always read dragon steel as Valyrian Steel.
