TormundsWoman wrote:

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I can't find the right thread but I know there was a discussion here if all three Sand Snakes are Ellaria and Oberyn's daughters as opposed to being half sisters as in the pooks (IT GOT TO ME TOO ). I was under the impression the show is making them all Ellaria's daughters by Oberyn. Apparently I'm not the only one.

www.blastr.com/2015-4-20/exclusive-alexander-siddig-ruling-dorne-game-thrones

The reporter and Siddig seem to confirm this. Anyway, it was a great interview. I know we only got a glimpse of Doran by he just feels like Doran. Awesome casting call.

-- Edited by TormundsWoman on Wednesday 22nd of April 2015 10:29:31 AM

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 I forget where it was, but fairly recently this came up, and some place reputable confirmed the only SS appearing this season who is Ellaria's daughter is Tyene.

 

btw - Both Siddig and the reporter called Elia Doran's daughter, as opposed to his sister, so...

-- Edited by Nymeria Warrior Queen on Wednesday 22nd of April 2015 05:58:00 PM

Here we go...a quote from Jessica Henwick, who is playing Nymeria: "“I play Nymeria Sand also known as Lady Nym, Oberyn’s second daughter but not by Ellaria. My mother, who died in battle, was an Eastern noblewoman and she is actually the person who taught me my weapon — the bullwhip..."

Rygar wrote:

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Dolan wrote:

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I don't remember the Hound being wounded, he sure don't look like it:

 

Brienne kicked his ass.

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 He was wounded by Biter prior to His fight with Brienne and was in obvious pain in his scenes leading up to the fight.   

Besides, a good fighter (which Sandor clearly is) would never show his opponent a weakness for them to exploit if they can help it.  Given the location of his injury, it was easy for Sandor to conceal it. 

-- Edited by Rygar on Wednesday 22nd of April 2015 02:27:34 PM

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  So a bite wound was enough to justify him getting his ass kicked by Brienne? puh-fucking-lease, get over it.

He was weak from infection. Even Arya saw it.

and she kicked his ass! love Brienne.

It's like you guys didn't bother to watch the video i just posted, watch that and tell me he is moving slower than usual, the show (not the pooks!) never bothered to make his bite wound a big deal, shit i didn't even remember the thing until Ry mentioned it. She kicked his ass, wounded, but she'd probably beat him if he was healthy too.

Jent & Don, in regards to the speculation: "who sent the snake to KL" from the No Spoilers thread:

Doing something behind Doran's back is not unheard of, if we're talking Dorne characters. Perhaps not the same "something", but still. Arianne has gone all in in that regard and had the Sand Snake approval. Sure, she never hated Myrcella, in fact they all loved her but if Ellaria is to fill partly her shoes in plotting against Doran's directive of "doing nothing" then sending the snake definitely qualifies as something she would do. Also, Dorne characters by and large are described as impulsive, Doran being the only one who keeps his cool in that family. That might also work towards explaining why Ellaria would act so, before confronting Doran about his lack of action.

I've moved this from the other thread because even if I tried to be ambiguous and not name Arianne, it would still give Basi the idea that something happens in Dorne regarding Myrcella from the books. Just didn't feel comfy leaving it there.

-- Edited by TormundsWoman on Friday 24th of April 2015 06:12:06 PM

Sorry if I'm being a bonehead, but I want to mention something which is possibly from one of the  leaked episodes:

 

Spoiler

think the guy on WotW was referring to "fetch me a block."

-- Edited by DonalNoyesArm on Friday 24th of April 2015 02:22:56 PM

That's very interesting, Don. I must admit it never occurred to me Cersei already knew the contents of that box . I thought she received it, was to afraid too look and sent for Jaime to be with her when she did. LMAO, looking back, that's so unlike her.

I don't think the show will follow the books when it comes to Dorne, but if Jaime is there, we're probably looking at war even if both him and Doran actually want to avoid it. Unless he discovers Cersei plotted the whole necklace thing to send him there, and this will be the breaking point in their relationship. And if theoretically he can't be in KL during Cersei's Walk of Shame, then I wonder what will he do all season in Dorne, or where will he be heading next? 

Regarding who sent to box to Cersei, I think it was from the Sand Snakes. Sure, with the changes they've made to Ellaria's mindset, she could have sent it, but I think it's from the Snakes. Yes, the snake holding Myrcella's necklace in its mouth could just symbolize Oberyn, but I think it symbolizes his daughters.

I, too, have wondered where Jaime goes after Dorne. I suppose he could spend the whole season there, but for some reason I think not, although I have no clue where he would head after leaving Dorne (and I like not knowing, as well). I do think Varys will go to Dorne. We haven't seen him in any of the stills from Daznak's, so I'm not sure he even makes it to Meereen. I think Jorah grabs Tyrion, and Varys heads to Dorne, which in turn would tell us one of the members of the group to which Varys referred is Doran, and to me, that would make perfect sense.

We all know where this Jon and Thorne situation is leading to, I called it ages. This is why Grenn should of been kept alive, him landing the final blow would be far more shocking than Aliser doing it.

Yeah, it's totally going to be Olly. They keep cutting to him every time Jon mentions the Wildlin, and the failure of the Hardhome mission, and will be among those Caesering him when the Hardhome mission goes south.

My personal prediction is that Myranda (Ramsay's torture buddy) will get jealous and attempt to hurt Sansa, but Ramsay will stop her and kill her horribly in front of Sansa, maybe even making her join in. That scene from the trailers of her in the bath is her washing off the blood. That's when she (or Theon) decides to escape.

I also wouldn't be a fan of Sansa being raped, but it's certainly a possibility. It just seems unlikely to me after her arc in Season 4.

Cosca wrote:

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My personal prediction is that Myranda (Ramsay's torture buddy) will get jealous and attempt to hurt Sansa, but Ramsay will stop her and kill her horribly in front of Sansa, maybe even making her join in. That scene from the trailers of her in the bath is her washing off the blood. That's when she (or Theon) decides to escape.

I also wouldn't be a fan of Sansa being raped, but it's certainly a possibility. It just seems unlikely to me after her arc in Season 4.

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 I'm reasonably sure the fact that this arc is so different than the books gives D&D license to not treat Sansa like they did Jeyne Poole. After all, book Ramsay knew Jeyne wasn't authentic and that was part of the license he had in abusing her so severely.  Sansa is Roose's key to holding the North and she's authentic. Roose isn't going to let Ramsay jeopardize that. 

whew thinks guys, i'm actually relieved by that, seems much more likely, and i feel no pity for Myranda, none at all.

I'm interested in the Brienne stuff. Because I think she'll be put in a situation where she can either uphold her vow and try to rescue Sansa, or carry out her revenge on Stannis. But helping Stannis' army could be the best way to rescue Sansa. I'm genuinely not sure which one she would choose.

Also, a Thoros of Myr mention. HE IS NOT FORGOTTEN. (Even if he is by Arya)

DonalNoyesArm wrote:

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So refresh my memory, in the pooks, Tyrion gets nabbed by Jorah after his boat trip with Faegon and the gang, right? So it seems the show fast forwarded past it? Or maybe it got moved around?

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Well, they already mentioned the Stone Men, and there is no Faegon, so I think we're definitely passed it, unless they plan it on switching characters, with Jorah being the one that jumps in the water and rescues Tyrion - it would add more fuel to the theory (I think someone here mentioned this, was it you Cary?) that Jorah will bring the greyscale to Westeros.

Wasn't there some leaked set photos with Jorah and Tyrion on a boat sometime during filming?

Tick tock tick tock. You hear that Stan? Thats your own personal time bomb ticking away. You're about to get fucked by Bree.

Cosca wrote:

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That scene from the trailers of her in the bath is her washing off the blood. That's when she (or Theon) decides to escape.

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 Oh, wow. I didn't see any blood or anything in that scene. I think I was looking at the wood panels to figure out where she is Good eyes, Cosca.

Al Swearengen wrote:

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Sansa's whole arc this season makes me want to bang my head against a wall, it's so freaking retarded. 

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 Forcing two storylines together does that. Bad writing all around as far as she's concerned. Took 1 min for her to go from "OMG! You cannot force me! I won't do it!" to "OK let's go and let me marry Ramsey, son of Roose who killed my brother." Umm right.

The Wall is a treat though. And Kit is killing it. So does Liam and Dillane. I can't wait to see Jon/ Mel. (Of course we won't be commenting it because you got your ass banned as I just read. I can't believe you!)

While I'm certainly still reluctant to embrace the epic changes to Sansa's storyline, although I am starting to warm to them a bit, I vehemently disagree with the comments about bad writing. Whenever I see anyone make comments about bad writing, my first thought is always, "do you think you could do better, or even as well?" Beyond that, I think the scene at Moat Cailin worked well. First, Sansa summarily rejects the idea. LF, being smart, tells her it is her choice. Right there, at least in my view, it gives Sansa a feeling she's not being forced, which in turns makes her more willing to listen to LF's reasoning. She hears it, takes a moment to contemplate, then makes her decision. I had no problem with it, and I thought the writing was just fine.

Yes, I have to let go of everything I know from the books to be able to view the scene on its own merits, but once I do put my book-knowledge aside, like I said, the scene worked for me. Obviously, that's not everyone's opinion, and that's fine.

It worked well for me, if I had not read the pooks it would've seen consistent with what the characters had done before.
Sansa's mini panic attack was authentic, and while she got back on her horse, she did not give Littlefinger eye contact, that was good acting. The motivations seem realistic and make sense.

I bought it, and so did many others, some even think the new Sansa stuff is gearing up to be the best stuff this season, so there you go, to each their own and that's fine.

Nymeria! I wasn't trying to validate anything. You are grown up woman, with a mind of her own. I doubt you need validation for anything. I genuinely think it's great that they convinced other people (like you), since it is a big storyline for WF and they need the audience to believe in it. It was meant in the same vein as the way you said it if fine that not everyone has the same opinion (that would be me). Maybe I should have said that instead.

 

-- Edited by TormundsWoman on Tuesday 28th of April 2015 06:49:30 PM