Does anyone else feel like they might have Varys kill off Olenna at the same time as he kills Kevan. It would make sense from a character point, The Queen of Thorns and House Tyrell could cause problems for Dany once (IF) she arrives in Westeros. Granted they're aren't as formidable in the show as they are in books but financially they still have the means to rival her. Eitherway I hope we still get the epilogue scene, although show Vary's might need to borrow Littlefinger's scooter to get back to Kings Landing in time.
Eitherway I hope we still get the epilogue scene, although show Vary's might need to borrow Littlefinger's scooter to get back to Kings Landing in time.
It's a jetpack! Jeez!
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Eitherway I hope we still get the epilogue scene, although show Vary's might need to borrow Littlefinger's scooter to get back to Kings Landing in time.
funny that people complain about LF's trips on the show and "forget" his trips between KL and Highgarden in the pooks, like 700 miles is just a skip away right?
Didn't Kevan just told Cersei to fuck off and went back to Casterly Rock?
Travel time and distance seem to be a nightmare to figure out on this show. Its seems even GRRM doesn't know what the hell is going on half the time.
In the pilot episode Cercei says that they had been on the kingsroad "for a month", and when Ned leaves Winterfell to KL, it takes only a single episode "The Kingsroad" for him to travel that distance.
So LF taking one episode to travel from WF to KL is consistent at least, but realistic, probably not.
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Just because her arc in AFFC isn't the most exciting doesn't give D & D free reign to exploit the character. Hell the whole "Dark Sansa" route didn't even seem to go anywhere, she's just back to being the abused pawn for other characters, except now she's damaged goods.
What exactly do you mean when you say "exploit" the character? D & D already explained their decision, an to me it seems like a decent, valid argument. They like this character and want to use her more, and they couldn't do that with the material she had in the Vale, obviously. What were their other options? Send her off to Essos? At the same time, they had this storyline with Jeyne Poole, a character that show viewers don't know and have zero investment in. To me, to bring her back to Winterfell was a genius move, because they gave her something to do while actually leaving out much of the terrible things that would have happened to Jeyne.
And let's wait to see how things roll, we still have 4 more episodes to go before judging her whole arc this season. All indications are that this is a turning point for her, and I kinda disagree with the fact that the Darth Sansa approach ended without fruition. The old Sansa would never have went along with LF's plan which, as twisted as it turned out to be, at least gave her a chance to come back home and try to avenge her family. She risked enormously, true, but she did it because she's a much stronger woman who sees this misfortune as the means to an end. And she'll only grow stronger. To me, this actually feels like a great example of character development.
Macha - I've gone over it a thousand times already, the stuff with Sansa just doesn't feel natural or organic to me, it feels forced and unnecessary. If Bran is allowed to take a backseat then I don't see why they couldn't do the same with Sansa, hell her screen time could of been better utilized in Dorne. If you're enjoying it that's fine, personally it does nothing for me other than get my blood boiling and decrease my interest and passion for the show. For me the damage has been done, no matter what Sansa ends up doing in the last four episodes it's not going to erase that blatant shock tactic move by D & D.
I honestly feel like Dorne could of worked better had they just stuck with Arianne and used Bronn in the Oakheart role. Have Cersei order Bronn off to the region on a mission to bring back Myrcella, and in the end he gets seduced by Arianne and meets his demise at the hands of Hotah. Oh and the accents should be ditched, they should of just went with a generic medevil accents IMO.
Sansa's storyline seems to have come out of necessity. D&D want to spoil minimal stuff from the non-released books.
Probably as a consession to GRRM, so he has at least another year to get his book done befor season 6 of the Tv show launches.
So instead of having another character sitting on the bench this season ( like Bran), they took a narrative detour which gave Sansa something to do. That way at the end of season 5, pretty much no Winds of Winter material will have been spoiled, who knows she could swing right back to book material next season. (But I hope not)
But whatever, it seems "damned if they do and damned if they don't" for some.
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Arianne would have made Dorne more interesting, and would have kept Ellaria a good character. Instead, they scrapped one and ruined the other. At this point, I don't understand why they kept this storyline at all.
I do think Sansa in Winterfell has potential, though. So far, all the scenes there were handled really well (even the last one, as horrifying as it is). Time will tell if this scene hails the return of victim Sansa (but I don't think it does, I think she'll have more fight and manipulation in her). Her losing her virginity (albeit horribly) also allows her to start using sex as a weapon (because a virgin could hardly seduce anyone). I think this arc will have big ramifications into future seasons, not just season 5. I see Sansa being the ruler in Winterfell in season 6, which wouldn't have happened if they stuck to the books.
Except I think they kinda have shown their hand by what they've done with Sansa this season, placing her in Winterfell this season leads me to believe she'll end up in that region with the Vale's forces in TWOW or ADOS. Whether Littlefinger's still by her side then remains to be seen, I still think Petyr's trust in her is going to backfire spectacularly. Once the Vale finds out about her identity she'll no longer require his assistance.
Their choice of location came off lazy IMO. Aside from the Water Gardens, Dorne doesn't look like the exotic desert locale it could have been. Not that I would have cared, if the actual scenes were good.
SO we think this season will actually show the battle of Winterfell? Seems a bit odd if they show that AND Hardhome the same season, don't think the show could handle that.
I agree with TW, they're defintely doing both battles.
Looks like they do! look at this shot someone posted at WotW! Same set up as Dillane's too in that S5 bend the knee vid! And there is fake blood on Iwan's face like it was on Dillane!
Not all of the locations though, the scenes in Ireland are so obvious. Who knew Dorne had so much grass
I second this, tho I wasn't as bothered when they used it for Dorne because the beach was lovely, but it did rub me the wrong way when they used practically the same hills for Essos, with Jorah and Tyrion.
I second this, tho I wasn't as bothered when they used it for Dorne because the beach was lovely, but it did rub me the wrong way when they used practically the same hills for Essos, with Jorah and Tyrion.
How dare they, re-use scenery? They need to film on the black beaches of Hawaii! ( actually, that would be kinda nice )
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The response that scene has generated just proves my point. I strongly believe that D & D have fallen in love with getting reactions out of audiences and the media. It's like they now care more about being a twitter sensation that actually continuing to give us a great show. Ned's execution, The Red Wedding and The Red Viper's death gave them a taste of that and now they want to create their own versions of that. It's why I am getting increasingly more worried about the show's future day by day.
The response that scene has generated just proves my point. I strongly believe that D & D have fallen in love with getting reactions out of audiences and the media. It's like they now care more about being a twitter sensation that actually continuing to give us a great show. Ned's execution, The Red Wedding and The Red Viper's death gave them a taste of that and now they want to create their own versions of that. It's why I am getting increasingly more worried about the show's future day by day.
It is as if a chunk of the viewership is still brainwashed to think this series will have a wonderful Disney ending, I expect terrible and worse things to happen to beloved characters and I can't wait to see peoples poor sensibilities be ruined.
Because this is Westeros not Narnia.
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I don't see how you can criticise D&D for using shock value or being in love with it.
1) I don't see anything wrong with shocking the audience as long as it isn't done too often. This is arguably the first truly shocking thing that's happened this season, it's not like the series has become overstuffed with such moments.
2) The series has always been characterised by shocking moments as well as portraying ugly misogyny, if D&D are to be true to the spirit of the series than they have to have such scenes.
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They argue that Ramsay is basically the new Joffrey and like Joffrey he will gain power, I mean who will be the villians of the story if both Boltons die? Cersei? The Freys? Or the nebulous White Walkers?
It is actually GRRM's fault, by killing off the fun interesting villians we end up with nothing.
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There are rumors swirling that Ramsay kills Stannis at the Battle Of Winterfell. If that is true I might just join Al and kill D&D.
Ugh Don, I hope that's not true, show or bookwise I do not want to see Stannis meet his demise at the hands of Ramsay fucking Bolton, that would be soul crushing.
They argue that Ramsay is basically the new Joffrey and like Joffrey he will gain power, I mean who will be the villians of the story if both Boltons die? Cersei? The Freys? Or the nebulous White Walkers?
It is actually GRRM's fault, by killing off the fun interesting villians we end up with nothing.
I think Melisandre has the opportunity to step up and become the real villain of the series. Y'know?
Also, the likelihood of Oldtown makes the possibility of Iron Islands for Season 6 and some particularly assholeish villians.
-- Edited by Cary Storm on Thursday 21st of May 2015 02:37:51 PM
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It would be kinda hilarious if all the missing characters:
Benjen Stark, Osha,Gendry, Rickon, Edmure, Blackfish, the Brotherhood without Banners and the Greyjoys fill up season 6 to bide more time for THE POOKS.
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I don't see the point in introducing the Iron Islands story in season 6 when the show is going finish in season 7. That would feel extremely rushed. Besides do we really want to see Euron and Victarion end up like the Sand Snakes?
Difference is the Sand Snakes sucked in the book as well. Euron was awesome in the books, and Victarion (which is the one they could have screwed up, not that I'm a fan or anything) is most likely cut.
If Stannis wins against the Boltons (and we all hope he does) the show will be out of psychotic villains, which would be the perfect place to introduce Euron. And since it seems likely they'll introduce Oldtown, and the books have been hinting that Euron will attack there in a major battle, it's all the more likely. Plus, we know Yara appears this season and it doesn't look like it'll be with Stannis (zero setup for that), so where will she pop up if not at the Iron Islands with Balon? I think Balon may well die in the season finale to set up season 6, with Yara taking Victarion's role as Euron's fleet general after losing a shorter Kingsmoot.
I think the battle of Oldtown could be the major climactic event of season 6- with Dany vs Euron, Sam, Tyrion, Dorne, Yara and maybe even Arya (and if not, definitely Jaqen) involved in some capacity. It could be the show's alternative to the big battle of Meereen and would condense to battles into one and place it at the end of the season (which makes more sense in terms of pacing).
The Sand Snakes could of worked on screen had D & D and Nina Gold actually put in any effort. The actresses, dialogue and accents have all been wrong. It was a mistake to go with them instead of Arianne Martell anyway.
I only want to see Euron and Victarion on screen if D & D actually have any passion or love for the characters. And judging by their portrayal of Asha I am lead to believe they don't.
I think what they did with Yara wasn't what they intended to do. They were trying to make her into a badass while resolving the Theon loose end (since she won't run into Stannis in the show) but ended up making her run away from dogs. I remember Cogman saying that the original scene was much more complex and included a fight in the courtyard, but that they had to cut it down for various reasons. I guess the dogs were their shortcut, which obviously ended up sucking and making Yara look bad. But I think they had good intentions with the Yara scene (which I won't say about the Sand Snakes or Ellaria).
Difference is the Sand Snakes sucked in the book as well. Euron was awesome in the books, and Victarion (which is the one they could have screwed up, not that I'm a fan or anything) is most likely cut.
If Stannis wins against the Boltons (and we all hope he does) the show will be out of psychotic villains, which would be the perfect place to introduce Euron. And since it seems likely they'll introduce Oldtown, and the books have been hinting that Euron will attack there in a major battle, it's all the more likely. Plus, we know Yara appears this season and it doesn't look like it'll be with Stannis (zero setup for that), so where will she pop up if not at the Iron Islands with Balon? I think Balon may well die in the season finale to set up season 6, with Yara taking Victarion's role as Euron's fleet general after losing a shorter Kingsmoot.
I think the battle of Oldtown could be the major climactic event of season 6- with Dany vs Euron, Sam, Tyrion, Dorne, Yara and maybe even Arya (and if not, definitely Jaqen) involved in some capacity. It could be the show's alternative to the big battle of Meereen and would condense to battles into one and place it at the end of the season (which makes more sense in terms of pacing).
I agree, the Sand Snakes in the book were just a bunch of grumpy girls that got instantly arrested. I think once Doran sends them away to different locations, and they will have more time to breathe on their own they can get better.
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It looks like they will do the Old Town and Citadel! The more look I do at the WotW pic the more it looks like it. Something big has to happen there in Winds. I mean the only characters we have there from Martin are Sam and Sarella. Sarella they cut in the show. No way Benioff and Weiss add one more location just for Sam. Unless there's like a huge thing that NEEDS to happen. I do wonder if the man will finally publish Winds before I expire of curiosity.
Who says they cut Sarella in the show? In season 4 Oberyn says he has eight daughters. They haven't introduced her yet because they haven't shown Oldtown.
-- Edited by jentario on Friday 22nd of May 2015 10:36:53 PM
god those sequels were so bad 
look at this shot someone posted at WotW! Same set up as Dillane's too in that S5 bend the knee vid! And there is fake blood on Iwan's face like it was on Dillane! 
( actually, that would be kinda nice 
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