That makes no sense. If he's coming TO Westworld that means he's from the real world. But if he was born IN Westworld 30 years ago that makes him a robot (he's definitely a lot older than 30 so I'm thinking he was made to look 50-60 to begin with), unless there is a double meaning to that like being reborn to a violent side of him. I haven't seen the ep yet. But it looks like more secrets are piled up.

Yes, the MIB does say something like that, that sometimes it seems like he was born in the park, which goes together with the whole discovering who you could be that the guests are addicted to. He also speaks of the real world that's a chaos and an accident so there is that.

Who knows who he is, but it sure added to the whole mystery line for Ed Harris' character, because when the supervisor was asked if MIB should be slowed down, he took a look at the screen and walking away said "that gentleman gets whatever he wants." Looks like MIB is an old customer. Ed just kills it. Brutal scene in Lawrence's hometown and the little girl knew about this maze...

On the other side: Meave and waking up in the workshop! The two asses who were working on her got the scare of their lives

New guy Jimmi Simpson's character seems a genuine good person. I hope he doesn't turn out to be like his friend the asshat.

The narrative guy getting shot down with his new storyline was precious and now we are left to wonder what Ford is working on? Is it something to do with that maze?

More questions than before!

Oh, Dolores has a gun. What is quite interesting is why was it buried and what is so special about a gun in the West where everyone's got one that this one needed to be buried. My guess? I bet this one can hurt humans!

In the category "Weird shit that I can't explain with any crazy supposition": Maeve's dream - she clearly had a storyline before being a mom in the farm outside Sweetwater, but somehow getting hunted down by Indians in her house and ending up with MIB trying to scalp her is super weird. I guess we'll get more later on.

Lots to say and I probably skipped half of what I wanted to say anyway.

One of the most interesting exchanges:
"Are you real?
Well, if you can't tell, does it matter?"

-- Edited by TormundsWoman on Sunday 9th of October 2016 10:17:28 PM

Love this show so much. Gonna rewatch.

Host uprising can only be done by Ford of Bernard, I think. Both seem inclined to think as themselves as "Playing God". And both covered for this "reveries/memory" upgrade. So definitely something to be considered. Which one though left the gun for Dolores? If that kills humans then it's from the outside world and not so many would play around with that... MIB maybe?

I think the kid Ford was talking to was a robot version of him as a kid.

Huh, Cary you might be on to something! The way the kid accepts that he won't come back to that place was so quick and strange... I guess I need to rewatch the ep!

Jent, what What'sherface? The Danish actress lady that Ry and Japie developed the hots for? I thought it was Hopkins who was the upgrade de facto boss. The Lady is the more like a liaison with the Corporate. I don't think she knows anything about the code writing that's making the host remember previous narratives.

Oh the maze has to be the storyline Ford is working on. It just has to; the MIB is finally crossing paths with Ford. I mean the little girl clearly said the maze is not for him. I am expecting "knock your socks off" acting encounter between Hopkins and Harris

Could that be all it is? MiB wants to play the new content before it even comes out? All I could think about while he killed everyone in sight is how boring that must be. There's no challenge if you can kill everyone without them being able to hurt you. You can impose yourself on anyone in any way because they don't actually have free will. I would be bored to death after 30 days of that, never mind 30 years. So maybe that's the next step that Ford is working on, giving some semblance of free will while still maintaining a level of control. Ford's "reveries" only make their world that much more horrific, and I don't think he cares at all about their suffering.

So is Dolores' new prize a real gun? Or is it only a "special" gun from the corporation that gives her a sense of empowerment without giving her actual power? I guess the real question is whether Ford is trying to liberate her or simply make his creations more real.

Cary, brilliant thought about the boy being young Ford. Although making a younger version of yourself that is destined to be repeatedly victimized is pretty sick.

Good thinking there

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Cary, brilliant thought about the boy being young Ford. Although making a younger version of yourself that is destined to be repeatedly victimized is pretty sick.

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 I was thinking this was more along the lines as the boy was someone only he himself would encounter (and/or control)

Basi the showrunners said that they got many ideas from open-world video games. I would say the MiB is a hacker, accessing parts he is not supposed to for his enjoyment.

Game reviewer makes sense. Wants Ford's next level early and exclusive.

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 Human ones! 

He's looking for the Easter Egg

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I just read an interesting theory by some dude on YouTube (potential spoiler warning) that said Bernard is secretly a Host planted by Ford.

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 I have no doubt some of the "humans" we have seen are not quite what they seem. Ford also said: "I know how your mind works" to Bernard. Hmmm, we shall see.

For those that like to see advance photos, promos and teasers: www.avclub.com/article/try-not-have-robot-freakout-these-westworld-episod-244125 I have to say I watched the "Easter egg" photo for 10 min and can't find anything. It's probably on Fords desk , right under my nose... I'm a beta tester

Seems a little early for theories... Anyways my experience with GOT/Asoiaf made me extra cynical about this stuff.

About the MiB, i took that line to mean the Man he became after 30 years of experience with the game.

This show takes on a whole new level compared to the movie, of course, but i'm afraid they might go too much the other away with too much convoluted stuff, i hope not.

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This show takes on a whole new level compared to the movie, of course, but i'm afraid they might go too much the other away with too much convoluted stuff, i hope not.

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 Some shows manage to find a nice balance in story and mysteries. "Lost" for example went the other end of the spectrum, adding mystery after mystery and in the end did not resolve many of them. 

But so far so good, I'll give it the benefit of the doubt.

It was TW. It's all connected (allegedly). Everybody assumed the big event 30 years ago refers to the original movie, but perhaps not.

Yep, totally right you are Jent. I didn't have to watch much of the first ep and there it is Bernard and Theresa are talking about a restless host in the cold storage

Theresa: “Every time your team rolls out an update, there's a possibility of a critical failure.”
Beranard “We don't update the hosts in cold storage and the park hasn't had a critical failure in over 30 years.”

By the way, hilarious about the white and black hat, because first ep entrance sequence with the train entering the park, Teddy was sitting musing at the view he has from his window, and the two people behind him are talking:

First man: “Now, the first time I played it white hat. My family was here. We went fishing, did the gold hunt in the mountains.
Second: “And last time?
First: I came alone. Went straight evil."

Missed that completely the previous time. Bet there's many of these little things I completely overlooked.

-- Edited by TormundsWoman on Sunday 16th of October 2016 01:59:02 PM

That moment when Dolores finally pulled the trigger!

That part when Ford was talking about the beginning of the park ( and I guess old-people-looking-young CG is now on Tv too!)

I guess they imply that Ford's partner "Arnold" was killed in the park, maybe that was the "incident" of 30 years ago.

Plus I had this thought on Twitter!

Did they just did a bit of backpedaling here? It seemed at first that they were setting up Ford to be the one obsessed with A.I., the one who would eventually screw up and go to far with it, Now it seems they made Bernard to be the one, weird.

About the Arnold thing, seems a bit nitpicky on my part but why didn't they erased every bit of Arnold's programming when they decided against conscious Hosts? The main source of "bugs" in their programming seems to be the leftover programming Arthur did, and since last episode, it seems to be more than just leftover. It could be that they need it to make them work, but Ford's own version of the story makes it seem they started from scratch, anyways, seems like an emergency wipe is warranted.

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Did they just did a bit of backpedaling here? It seemed at first that they were setting up Ford to be the one obsessed with A.I., the one who would eventually screw up and go to far with it, Now it seems they made Bernard to be the one, weird.

About the Arnold thing, seems a bit nitpicky on my part but why didn't they erased every bit of Arnold's programming when they decided against conscious Hosts? The main source of "bugs" in their programming seems to be the leftover programming Arthur did, and since last episode, it seems to be more than just leftover. It could be that they need it to make them work, but Ford's own version of the story makes it seem they started from scratch, anyways, seems like an emergency wipe is warranted.

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 I also felt some back-peddling.

The Ford from the first two episodes seemed to have a certain belief that his creations were something more than just coded recordings. He wants them to be as real as possible. And then episode 3 comes along, and suddenly he's no different than the rest of the staff and sees them as property.

It's possible he only really applied that approach when Bernard got close to finding his durty little secret (whatever it may be). Otherwise this is a bit of a plot hole as far as I'm concerned, or at the very least a confusing character moment.

And I agree with Cary on the whole Charlie (was it Charlie?) thing. We didn't need it to get stuffed down our throats. Frankly, his conversation with Dolores was enough to determine his son is dead and how that affects his relationship with the hosts. Having Ford then saying it outright (in a completely insensetive way, might I add) and later that painfully unnecessary scene with Bernard's wife just insults the intelligence of the viewer. They should have applied more subtlety in that sub-plot, instead of repeatedly shoving ut down our throats in the same episode.

Another little peeve (also bothered me in episode 2 when Maeve went exploring in the facilities) is that the staff are idiots. They never use the "deep and dreamless sleep" code, which makes no sense. It's as if the writers forgot they had that in the first episode.

This Arnold thing is aklo weird, and I have no idea where it's going. Other than that, this episode was great. As ever.