The Stray just ended on HBO2 and I am more confused than before So William and Dolores ended up to be in the same narrative in our present time or 30 years ago there at the end of the ep?!

I'm asking because she seems to have flashbacks to the same scenario where once she was shot in the belly and once she was not. And there is also the fact that William got shot DOWN! We didn't know that could happen. Sure, he could not be killed but he still was knocked on his ass, and that didn't happen with the MIB who somehow got shot multiple times and not only was he standing but the bullets practically pulverized off him... Was William's story 30 years ago when the bulletproffing of humans was not so advanced?!

Arnold: I gotta say, I don't even know where to start with that guy. I am assuming he got the robots to become self aware and develop a conscience which lead to a "malfunction" or "accident" because really, as Ford says the park is not a place where you'd want robots to develop one considering the inhumanities they are subjected to MIB is definitely connected with this. Maybe he is not Arnold but he definitely could be one of the clients from 30 years ago who somehow got burnt in that park malfunction.

What about that gun that Dolores shot!!!! that wasn't the gun she uncovered from the dirt and hid in the drawer, is it? I mean the guy was looking towards his belt when he said she's got spunk and her boyfriend taught her something, which makes me think she pulled HIS gun from the holster. Still confused about the drawer gun disappearing act from the morning scene. Was that a flashback to 30 years before?!

I must see it again. I'm too confused. All that being said, I'm not surprised Bernard is displaying Arnold's desire to see where all this improv/mistake responses of Dolores lead.

If I'm still curious and eager to see where all these leads while pleased at the quality of the production, acting and direction, then I think I consider the ep a good one.

Oy, I always seem to write like an essay on these eps. I really like the mystery of it all.

Rygar wrote:

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Fuck this show. Terrible, terrible episode.

The writing and directing were hideous.  They went super self indulgent.  The techie chick from Juno is the worst.  And I am starting to hate everyone not named Ed Harris. 

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 This! Aaaaaall of it. And was also boring, repetitive. There´s nothing more than 3 episodes and is already worse than True Detective´s bullshit and I`m talking season 1. Why they do this? I wonder if they have the guns to please people´s expectations and speculations. Or if they even care.

TW, I don't think any of what we're seeing occurred in the past. I think it's all present with the occasional allusion to past events. I think that host shot Dolores, and it had no more effect on her than it does on the guests. I think Dolores has crossed over the same boundary that the woodcutter did. She interacts with the network differently than she did before her change. I don't think it can tell her to sleep or to bleed anymore. We'll soon find out, now that she's "off her loop."

An interesting note, this episode was directed by Neil Marshall, memba him? Bigshot director of GOT Blackwater episode?
Just to show my point that a director alone is not always indicative of the shows quality.

I do agree that this is my least fave ep so far, but so many great things like Ford's beginnings, William popping his cherry ( interesting how he did actually get blown backward by a host bullet) and especially the moment when Dolores shot a gun for the first time, was great.

But hey, its just me.

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...I don't believe for a moment that "Arnold" is just a ghost in the machine...

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 Interesting, that expression reminds me of an anime movie called Ghost in the Shell, don't know how many here watched it but it's a great story and the Dolores stuff reminds me a bit of it, the Arnold stuff kinda hints even further but i'll wait and see where they'll take it.

-- Edited by Dolan on Tuesday 18th of October 2016 04:00:02 AM

the cooties, Basi! I'm blaming Ford for the porn.

I do think I've thrown in my lot with the two-storylines-30-years-apart wagon too soon, but that theory for me is so much fun that I'm not ready to let go yet.

I agree about crossing over / overriding the script soon in the current storyline though. Interesting thing about that, especially as she had that discussion with Teddy about leaving everything behind now. Perhaps she really WAS going to do it and ran off the reservation. She clearly has the same idea as the stray about leaving that scripted loop. She will do it too, no doubt.

-- Edited by TormundsWoman on Tuesday 18th of October 2016 09:31:13 AM

Also, Neil Marshall is an overrated hack. Never understood the fanboy creaming for his GOT episodes.

 

Link to see it better: http://i.imgur.com/aBzRDav.jpg

Apparently that's Dolores' loop.

That was a really interesting pic TW. Makes the whole thing make more sense with how/when resets happen.

Glad you guys enjoyed that. It's from the Delos corp site :www.delosincorporated.com/ they have lots of stuff there besides the Dolores Narrative gif. A cool gif of the Westworld tower simulator view going down to level 83. Hope they upload some other narratives.

Don! It was super interesting and I know jack shit about guns or revolvers in these case. I must say, I did not realize how big and solid and big the revolver was.

If Ep4 is shit, well then....time to rewatch Deadwood..

This episode has to be good, or the show's magic will be gone

That last scene, with Maeve and the Hector.... gold.

"I also think Ford is an evil bastard. Whatever his narrative is, it was implied that he and the park employees are to be seen as Gods. Or why else would those Indians carry toys that represent the "Gods". Sick bastard He was never going to give the hosts a virus to see if they can evolve to self awareness and freedom. He was simply toying with it. "

Pretty much, his line during the conversation with Milf Executive, that he never lost clarity? He knows these are robots and will not get emotionally connected with them, he doesn't let himself be enamored by them as seems to be the case with Bernard.
I'm starting to think Theresa might also be a "host". The way Ford kept talking about the ones that came before her, the way he tried to intimidate her, and when he mentioned that she should be careful with Bernard, who is the one having trouble with distancing himself emotionally from the "hosts".
I think he just uses them to feed his ego an tests to see how their programming reacts to his tweaks.

I think this time Santoro might actually have more than a few lines! Look at that!

Loved episode 4, probably my favorite. Still hate the Wyett arc with a bloody fire, but we'll see where it goes.

Show redeemed.

Don't know, seems to me all the mysteries have kinda collided into one. MiB, the maze, Arnold, the event 30 years prior and that Wyett shit are all connected some how. Answering one question could potentially answer all of them.

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SO Dolores will kill the MiB.

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 I can get behind that theory. Too bad Andrea will stop watching at that point.

My prediction: the MiB will be the first to be killed, but some employee is going to get seriously hurt first and the park will cover it up. 

Nah, Andi will keep watching, she just likes to complain.

nonon I don´t quit, well I only quit with Downton Abbey but it had it coming, damnit. But listen, it´s really all bs to me. They point to interesting stuff but then they are completely shallow about it. This time was Carmen and I still don´t know why,  but whatever, bunch of snobs they are. Lemme give you an example, in mythology mazes are always solved by women. It´s old, Ariadna solved the Minotaur  labyrinth, see movie Labyrinth how it was a girl who solved it, blahblah, many many examples in movies or literature or whatever mythology and you know, we women can solve mazes because they don´t demand a logic intelligence, only gut or intuition. Fuck that. Fuck that one more time. They just steal and rehash myths or old themes in literature and I really woulnd´t mind if the come up with an interesting twist but they don´t, they turn it into a pseudo cultural shit, just name things, alluding to Pinocchio and the God/creature issue, to Alice in Wonderland, and now Carmen and mythology.  I don´t even know how to call this shit going on since True Detective. Just find or pay great writers, don´t bother people with ideas if you don´t have nothing to say. Just make something fun.   

Is not awful, I like the acting , the actors, the scenary, is just not amusing or really interesting anymore. For the ones having the hots for danish lady, check her series where he was Denmark prime minister. She´s awesome. And I love love love Ed Harris and Jeffrey Wright.

The fear is that when you start to juggle with a lot of mysteries, you better have satisfactory answers for most, if not all, of them. Else you risk a Lost-like clusterfuck.
You're right, we're not even halfway through season 1, but there's already a big pile of questions. Depending on the approach they'll take with the show (if it's going to be a 1 main storyline per season or an expanding one)...I guess we should wait and see. But I'm already thinking we won't get many answers. Hell, maybe there won't even be a robot uprising by the end of this season, because else...what do you do after that? For how long will the screenwriters be able to stall this thing? I do hope they play their cards right.

It's something D&D did well with the GoT adaptation, I'd say, weeding out the shit mysteries that fill the pooks. Hundreds and hundreds of questions, mysteries and prophecies stuff the damn things, and you can bet we won't get any answers -because said pooks will never be finished.

Maybe. I'm not about to bail on the show, I'll stick to the end. Only that after the excitement I felt during the Pilot Episode, seems like the show already blew its load and the following episodes are just dragging their feet.
Some good moments here and there but overall I'm not very impressed. And well...I'm not exactly the most demanding person. I'm actually easy to please!

-- Edited by Morgoth on Monday 24th of October 2016 07:49:39 PM

Man, there aren't even that many breasts. Or sex scenes. What happened to the executive who looked after the perverts in the audience? Because I can tell you Westworld isn't delivering.

Ooh I liked this one!

Ed Harris and Hopkins are awesome aren't they? It seems Hopkins doesn't like Dolores at all, as she might have been Arnold's first and favorite creation. I wonder if we will see a flashback of Arnold back in the day and what secret programming was imprinted in Dolores.

Wow it seems that veering away from Sweeterwater, the hosts are a lot more aggressive, punching and even choking the guests. So since the Maze is the deepest level of the game, death might really be the ultimate challenge.

It is interesting how Maeve and Dolores have figured things out, and it seems like Maeve might actually have a better handle on things, as it seems Dolores is only getting there though weird daydreams and visions.