Written by David Benioff & D. B. Weiss; directed by Dan Sackheim
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Daenerys meets her future. Bran meets the past. Tommen confronts the High Sparrow. Arya trains to be No One. Varys finds an answer. Ramsay gets a gift.
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"Robert was never the same after he put on that crown. Some men are like swords, made for fighting. Hang them up and they go to rust.” -DN
First off: the pooks are dead, long live the pooks. (sure, Martin could pop up and say it's going to be different in the pooks...but then again, hard to take him seriously when he complained about D&D cutting a conversation about lemoncakes).
Second: The rage from Lindaaa and the purists is going to be a lot of fun.
Third: Haven't been *this* excited in a while. I enjoyed past seasons, but I mostly knew what was going to happen (like everyone else who read the pooks). Now that we're in the dark, I'm really enjoying it.
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They got me at ToJ. All of me. Wasn't even bothered about what I considered the weak parts like Tyrion the joker or Quiburn the Master Whisperer. Didn't phase me. And clearly Jon is no Azor Ahai or Prince or anything cause his pecker is too small not God material. Have to see the rest again. Too excited about the flashback. But EDD HAS THE WALL!
Tower of joy was wonderful. Ser Arthur Dayne lived up to his legend. I knew that they would not show us everything. But Bran's curiosity seems to drive him, and once he can surf the weirnet by himself I will probably find the answers he wants. At a cost of course.
Fascinating that there is nothing when you die, Beric said the same thing. Only darkness. Hello darkness my old friend.
Alliser was a hardass from day one on the show, but he was always fascinating to watch. I will miss Owen Teale, he brought life to the character, without turning him into a cartoony villain. Olly was more of a device than a character I felt, his silent pinched face in the end showed as much. I did feel bad for Othell Yarwyk, he always seemed like a decent chap that fell into the wrong crowd.
It seems they are not trying to keep calling Frankenclegane , Ser Robert Strong. It makes sense, because who else could the towering knight be?
Loved the small council scene, really loled when Pycelle out of fear. And very cool to see the Queen of Thorns make a cameo, and always rubbing in that Cersei is not the queen.
Aryas training montage was quite good, loved the music and editing. But is she really no-one now? She fooled them once before.
I love how the High Sparrow totally disarmed Tommen with his humble and graceful shtick. Tommen, kid, you suck at this.
So the Umbers brought Osha and Rickon to the Boltons. Was it a real sign of fealty? Or is there more to it? If it is a ruse it is an incredibly risky one, as what will stop Ramsay of killing them? And FUCK em for killing Shaggydog!
Oh yeah, no idea WTF is up with Dany, I hope she gets outta there soon. Where the hell is Drogon?
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"Robert was never the same after he put on that crown. Some men are like swords, made for fighting. Hang them up and they go to rust.” -DN
Ugh fuck... Shaggydog. It seems I was wrong about the Umbers, killing Shaggy would be one step too much even if they were playing Ramsay. But it's weird, because the vibes I got from Smalljon were good, the actor they choose didn't seem like a rotten sort. He felt calculated but good, and it felt like he made too many references to betrayal for it to mean nothing... Bollocks, I fear for Osha and I've had enough of Ramsay. Jon can't come south soon enough.
I am SO bored with Tyrion I can't even. What was the purpose of that scene at the table? Meereen is terrible and everybody sucks there.
Oh and Jaime sucks this season. Felt like throwing this here because I'll probably forget later. Jonathan Pryce is killing it tho. Loved Kevan and the Small Council scene, laughed like crazy at the fart even if it was cheesy. But that's why I like episodes written by D&D, they don't take themselves too seriously and can't help enjoying themselves and you can see that (tho sometimes it's way too much, like stupid Tyrion). Same thing with Sam and his bucket, and Gilly's "sea". Really good and sweet scene, btw.
Really liked Arya's montage, cool stuff.
Tower of Joy was very, very good, I loved it. I never cared for it in the books, but the directing, the fighting sequence and the actor playing Arthur Dayne have made this scene for me, I watched it about three times. I was so mad with Howland and Ned, dirty fuckers.
I don't think the Umbers are playing a ruse. Offing Shaggydog seems too much, and I doubt Rickon would agree to take part in a plan that would require the killing of his direwolf, tbh. It's also placing too much faith in Ramsay, delivering the real deal (Osha and Rickon). *IF* it was a fake Rickon, then yeah, I would think there would be a betrayal, but as it stands, the Umbers are simply traitors to the Starks, hence the title 'Oathbreaker'. I didn't see anything "telegraphed".
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The fact that he wouldnt kneel. And he kept reminding Ramsay of the old laws, honor, etc, and how Roose broke those rules. By not kneeling the Umbers are not honor bound to fight for Ramsay. Shaggy could have been a sacrifice to make the ploy possible. Honestly, the ruse would not work with a direwolf hanging around.
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Could this be a fake wolf head?
And yeah, this us super risky since odds are Ramsay will want to kill them both. If it was just the real Osha and a fake Rickon than maybe, but that along with the wolfhead seems like too much. Time will tell, though.
Dude, you're looking too much into it, me thinks. Again, why slaying Shaggy and risking the heir of Winterfell in a ploy that could easily backfire any moment. *Even* if we consider that Shaggy could've been killed without Rickon's consent, it makes no sense to deliver the real Rickon. Ramsay didn't even know how he looked like, so a fake Rickon would've worked.
But alas. Face it, the Umbers are traitors.
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I disagree. However risky, D&D have been known to make the obvious, obvious. I read that scene as a total ploy, made obvious by Lord Umbers refusal to honor Lord Bolton with fealty.
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Say, I remember reading at WotW in one of their set reports, that during Bastardbowl (or Snowbowl), there are "Bolton crosses" burning in the battlefield. We know from the trailer that this is true, but it was said that the flayed bodies are characters we know.
At first I thought they would be Stannis and Roose, but now I don't think so. Maybe Osha?
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I do wonder what the hell Dany is gonna do. Turn the Dothraki on her side and go to Westeros? She has no fleet. And Drogon doent obey her much.
I am a Dany apologist and even this is testing my patience, at least her scenes have been short.
That's where the Iron Fleet comes in. With the casting of Euron and news of the kingsmoot, I found myself wondering how the hell were the Greyjoys going to fit in the narrative. Then Dany's fleet burned, and I knew it: they're going to send a Greyjoy (probably Yara, since Victarion doesn't exist) to Mereen.
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Well , I loved bits and hated bits . Toj had me cursing it was cut short . . But on reflection makes sense . Fantastic choice for young Ned. Dayne actor is in latest Black Sails , like him a lot . I'm with Ry on the betrayal umber story line . . I'm not even convinced that Shaggy . . If it turns out it really is . . Totally not freaking big enough !! I've also heard the crosses are O n R 😐. . Was a little shocked at dragging out hanging scene.
Danny s story line bored me to tears in the books and still do. . Tyrion is wasted at the moment. Arya , come on lass let's get going ! Loved Jon's parting line .
The park! ! Ha ha ha ! Next week's looks even more filler . .
That's where the Iron Fleet comes in. With the casting of Euron and news of the kingsmoot, I found myself wondering how the hell were the Greyjoys going to fit in the narrative. Then Dany's fleet burned, and I knew it: they're going to send a Greyjoy (probably Yara, since Victarion doesn't exist) to Mereen.
Hmmm I wonder what the motivation will be for this? Or Yara will ask for Euron to get taken out as a transaction fee.
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Y'know, apart from my own feelings (that I don't like to see the direwolves getting offed), I really don't 'get' the direwolves' purpose in this story. Books included. Lady is killed early on and Nymeria runs off, and both Arya and Sansa are still around. Shaggydog didn't do much, and now it's dead (in the show). Grey Wind did try to help Robb, but his owner being a dumbass costed both their lives. Bran wargs into Summer for a while, but then replaces the direwolf for Hodor and now the magic tree network. Summer is MIA in the show. The only one that kind of sees some action is Ghost. I'll be sad the day it gets offed! I think no direwolf will make it to the end.
I know in the book it is implied that both Jon and Arya are wargs too, but it's kind of pointless, really.
ETA: I think the Night's King will be the one who slays Ghost.
-- Edited by Morgoth on Monday 9th of May 2016 10:55:08 PM
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I think the show does a huge disservice to the direwolves. All the Stark children are wargs with the possible exception of Sansa. Wolves and warging are going to be central to the end of this story. I think someone will warg into a dragon before this is over.
The direwolves are central to this story, but I agree that it is not clear in show or in books how central.
There is also a mythic relationship 'in the real world' between wolves and dragons. You might want to watch the recent documentary about wolves which discusses the deep relationship between wolves and humans, that wolves decided to befriend humans. I can't remember the title right now.
-- Edited by BlueDragon on Tuesday 10th of May 2016 01:39:17 PM
Yeah, I've read the pooks. All five. Honestly, I don't think they'll be important later...they're just as forgotten as the Others/White Walkers (which get way more attention and love in the show, in the books they feel like an afterthought).
Both Arya and Jon have 'wolf dreams', but it's sort of filler in their cases. With Bran the warging thing is more effective, since he's crippled, and he felt 'free' while being Summer.
As for someone warging into a dragon...I kind of doubt it, I know it's a popular Bran theory (the whole "You will fly" quote) but I don't see it happening.
Thanks for the recommendation! I'll look for the documentary.
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The Starks have their wolves; the Targareans have their dragons. Jon Stark/Targarean has both. In Asia, dragons and tigers are paired. My point is that Martin probably had an intention regarding the wolves which he has not developed but that the connection between direwolves and dragons is mythical whether or not Martin teases it out. He leaves a lot of stuff out because he began with too many 'threads' in all senses. In Asia, dragons and tigers are reciprocal and like yin and yang. I am suggesting that direwolves and dragons have a similar relationship in this story. Just because it isn't there yet or even if Martin drops the ball, the direwolves are still intrinsic to the spiritual web of this story.
Hmmm I wonder what the motivation will be for this? Or Yara will ask for Euron to get taken out as a transaction fee.
Let's forget the books and focus only on the show here. Obviously, only the Greyjoys have a big enough fleet at this point to carry Dany and her future army, and Euron obviously wants more power. Having sailed to Essos, he surely knows about Dany and her dragons so he'll probably imagine an alliance could work for them both. Yara could think the same way and if she gets outmanoeuvred by Euron in the succession, then Dany might just be the ally that could back her up so that she could get rid of Euron, bring peace to the Iron Islands and a new way of life for the people there.
I wonder if this season is gonna set up a Greyjoy-Targaryen-Dornish (was gonna say Martell but there aren't any left, lol) alliance.
After rewatch, I am not sure that Osha will be killed. Ramsay needs a new fucktoy, and they mentioned a few times how he likes "wild" women. Considering that he just lost his last toy, makes sense that a replacement is needed. Osha is like the perfect spy against Ramsay. She will be fine against him.
-- Edited by Rygar on Tuesday 10th of May 2016 07:50:12 AM
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Oh, watched the Umber scene again and HELLNO! There is no way they're NOT playing Ramsay. I don't care about Shaggydog (and honestly, time to let go of the "warging" business, the show clearly doesn't do that, except for Bran), he could have died any number of ways.
Heck, maybe the Umbers are not 100% honorable but clearly they're setting a up a trap for Ramsay. Narratively, it doesn't make sense otherwise. How come it so happens they hand over Rickon *just* after Roose died? Why not before? It's because they know Roose would know better, but Ramsay doesn't, and now they finally have an opportunity to strike. Rickon is a trojan horse, whether he knows it or not, but my feeling is that he's in on it. The casting for Smalljon, his lines, Osha's look, there is something there. Plus, the wildlings have their own land now, why would they continue to raid Umber lands, just to make enemies? I don't buy it that the Umbers are in true need of help, and if they were, why ask it from the Boltons just after Roose died, and why hand over such a precious hostage? Doesn't add up.
After rewatch, I am not sure that Osha will be killed. Ramsay needs a new fucktoy, and they mentioned a few times how he likes "wild" women. Considering that he just lost his last toy, makes sense that a replacement is needed. Osha is like the perfect spy against Ramsay. She will be fine against him.
-- Edited by Rygar on Tuesday 10th of May 2016 07:50:12 AM
Yeah I think so too. It would be too redundant to have him rape and torture her, his usual routine. They just pulled Sansa out of there, I don't think it'll happen again. She could do some damage from the inside but if there is one thing I really wish, is for her to kill his bloody bitches once and for all.
PS: This was from the casting call for Smalljon Umber. There are no book spoilers, only filming hints but if you don't want to know I'll use spoiler tags.
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" the role is said to be an impactful one. He’s described as a massive bear of a man with a beard and temper to match, and hatred that run deep, and he can be violent." And it is mentiones he's only in two episodes. We didn't see any of this deep hatred in the first episode, he was almost rather cheerful to stand there and just insult everybody. And if his only role was to hand over Rickon and then support Ramsay, where would we get to see such hatred, hm? Answer: when he turns arms agains Ramsay and hopefully butchers as many Bolton men as he can.
-- Edited by Macha on Tuesday 10th of May 2016 08:07:20 AM
Oh, watched the Umber scene again and HELLNO! There is no way they're NOT playing Ramsay. I don't care about Shaggydog (and honestly, time to let go of the "warging" business, the show clearly doesn't do that, except for Bran), he could have died any number of ways. Heck, maybe the Umbers are not 100% honorable but clearly they're setting a up a trap for Ramsay. Narratively, it doesn't make sense otherwise. How come it so happens they hand over Rickon *just* after Roose died? Why not before? It's because they know Roose would know better, but Ramsay doesn't, and now they finally have an opportunity to strike. Rickon is a trojan horse, whether he knows it or not, but my feeling is that he's in on it. The casting for Smalljon, his lines, Osha's look, there is something there. Plus, the wildlings have their own land now, why would they continue to raid Umber lands, just to make enemies? I don't buy it that the Umbers are in true need of help, and if they were, why ask it from the Boltons just after Roose died, and why hand over such a precious hostage? Doesn't add up.
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Macha! I noticed that look when I watched the scene last night. Very suspect. Osha was watching Rickon more intense than she was watching Ramsay. Weird.
Raiding is kind of what Wildlings do, even if they have Jon to stop them now. And the Wildlings are Umber's hated enemies, I don't think he was going to believe that they've changed, or that they've settled down. It's hard to put away centuries of bad blood, I think it makes sense from the Smalljon's perspective to want to kill them all, even if he is a dick.
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Cosca, why are you so determined the Umbers won't turn cloak?! They did say several times the North Remembers in the show, and Tyrion specifically mentioned that to his father. If no one turns cloak, who the hell will remember? The Wildlings are Northman I grant you but they are not honorbound to the Starks. I suppose it's up the Bear Island, and a girl of 13.
Raiding is kind of what Wildlings do, even if they have Jon to stop them now. And the Wildlings are Umber's hated enemies, I don't think he was going to believe that they've changed, or that they've settled down. It's hard to put away centuries of bad blood, I think it makes sense from the Smalljon's perspective to want to kill them all, even if he is a dick.
But if the Umbers hate wildlings so much, why not just kill Osha when they supposedly captured her and Rickon? Why even think Ramsay would want a wildling? Instead, they sent there the one person who's been protecting Rickon this entire time.
NOOOO 
not God material. Have to see the rest again. Too excited about the flashback. But EDD HAS THE WALL! 
out of fear. 
