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Cosca wrote:

 I think the play re-injected some energy though, and I expect her to be in Westeros by the end of the season.

 Agreed, all Arya's claim to be "no-one" is bull as you can clearly see when the death of her father is mocked on the stage that she is disturbed by it.

Arya clearly wants the skills of the faceless men, but she has no interest in serving them.



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If she leaves the Faceless Men, I think it'll be ultimately be her death. Those guys are pretty badass, and they've warning about consequences for a very long time. Hopefully she gets to take advantage of her powers before that.

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You know what I really liked? Theon standing up to Euron. It's one thing to recite a speech in favor of Yara, but he held it together even after he was mocked about such a traumatic experience. Fantastic acting by Alfie there.

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Macha wrote:

You know what I really liked? Theon standing up to Euron. It's one thing to recite a speech in favor of Yara, but he held it together even after he was mocked about such a traumatic experience. Fantastic acting by Alfie there. 

 

Best part of that scene.  Well, that and Yara's metal cans. 



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Varys' origin wasn't brought up by the first time in the last ep though, he told Tyrion in season 4 i think.

The kingsmoot scene wasn't great but it conveyed the moment of union between brother and sister and showed Euron as an ambitious man instead of some crazy caricature of a pirate, also the scene is a drag and takes forever in the pooks so i'm glad for their brevity, seriously pook Euron is one parrot and a wooden leg away from making the pirate bingo. Though Euron's lines were indeed cheesy.

They could've just skipped to Dany entering Meereen too, better that way.

I think i'm the only one who enjoys Arya's scene but it is getting repetitive they should've cut her plotline for now have her back next season with her training completed.

I think Bran's scene suffered from really poor editing and the pacing was all wrong that was too much info to shove into a single ep, i don't think Benjen shows up and Meera's escape made it really hard to keep my suspension of disbelief because no way she could out run the zombies and white walkers in the middle of nowhere and so far from the wall. So we're probably getting some sort of last minute save.

I would agree with TW about Hodor but i don't want another raging mad post about me so nevermind.



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Well, except for Hodor meaning "Hold the door".

Yes, it's silly when you read about what it may mean without watching the scene. But what exactly is wrong with it?!?! You're just a contrarian meanie. That's right. I said it. CONTRARIAN MEANIE.

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  you know he'll probably just say Whatevs just to get me to lose my cool. But I will be super strong. booty

I like puns and play on words. I really do. But this is one path Martin shouldn't have gone down because it is cheesily cringeworthy. Maybe he won't make it as blatant in the books. Who knows?

Anyway, another reason I didn't like it because it is uncomfortably similar to a racist joke: "What has six legs and says 'Ho de do'"?



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I wanna know why there was a back door there in the first place when there was no front door. And why was it so important to block the back door when the zombies could just turn around and climb out the tree.

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It was just so that they could have a few minutes advance. I can't remember if there was a front door or not, but we can look back in the second episode of the season, there is a scene with Hodor taking Bran outside...or maybe that was the back door? hehe :) I think this is a bit of a nitpicking tho.

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Yeah, I am totally nitpicking. Still think the scene was not as moving as it could have been. Just didnt work for me.

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Personally I thought the scene with the creation of the WW was a bit rushed and lacked some impact for me. The episode was imperfect in many ways, yet as a whole I think it worked better than 1-3 but probably less than 4.

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The scene was a little too Army of Darkness for me. It was all I could do not to giggle. Until they start killing wolves. Bastards. She went down far too easily. And poor Hodor. What an awful end. At first I didn't get that Bran was warning Hodor from the past, so I was confused for a sec. Bran has a heavy burden to carry. And so does Meera. Her dragging that litter through the snow is laughable. Cue Wun Wun on a mammoth.



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The WW scene sucked, tbh. It gave no context for why or how any of those events came to pass. Or why there's a parallel reality, for lack of a better term, where the WWs dwell between winters. All we get is tree people pissed off at lumberjacks. And sticking something inside of one. And not in a sexy way. It left me wanting more, and not in a good way.

Hey! Maybe Bran can pull out that man's splinter and make him all better.  Reminds me of a fable...



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DonalNoyesArm wrote:

Ok now that I slept on it and got some perspective.

I thought the episode was kinda so-so till the final 10 minutes that kinda blindsided me. I was never one to over-analyze and try to find out what Hodor meant, cuz honestly who has the time for that. For me it worked on many levels, the death of Hodor one of the truly kind and innocent characters in the show. Plus the confirmation that Bran can directly interact with the past ( though I see this only causing more harm than good.)

I disagree Ry, in the books the kingsmoot was a giant multichapter snorefest, the show boiled it down to a single scene, and I kinda liked it. The silly part was Euron telling his new subjects to build ships...LOL...by the time they are done Yara and Theon will be halfway around the world ( they are gonna try to reach Meereen, right?)

Arya's part with the actors, man, I dunno why I did not like that scene. They were clearly awful on purpose, but still it was cringe worthy.

I really like the new high priestess, and the part where she knew everything about Vary's past, was chilling and effective, good stuff.

Great things in the North also, Sansa putting LF in his place was very well done, and I agree with Brienne that Sansa keeping secrets is problematic.

SO Bran and Meera are all alone, WHO OH WHO can come help them? benjen

 I absolutely agree with you on the Kingsmoot, but disagree on the theatre scene.  Then again, I loved the "awful on purpose/cringe-worthiness" of it.  It's like D&D went back and studied Pyramus and Thisbe (from A Midsummer Night's Dream).  In fact, I was so caught up thinking about that...the horrid, over-the-top verse...I, well, not really missed, but didn't pay enough attention to Arya on my first viewing.



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Yeah, I am totally nitpicking. Still think the scene was not as moving as it could have been. Just didnt work for me.

 Don't go all serious on us RY! It's a question just like all others. It makes me think of outrageous plausible scenarios why that damn door was there. I think it's the goats.



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Atreyu wrote:
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Well, except for Hodor meaning "Hold the door".

Yes, it's silly when you read about what it may mean without watching the scene. But what exactly is wrong with it?!?! You're just a contrarian meanie. That's right. I said it. CONTRARIAN MEANIE.

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  you know he'll probably just say Whatevs just to get me to lose my cool. But I will be super strong. booty

I like puns and play on words. I really do. But this is one path Martin shouldn't have gone down because it is cheesily cringeworthy. Maybe he won't make it as blatant in the books. Who knows?

Anyway, another reason I didn't like it because it is uncomfortably similar to a racist joke: "What has six legs and says 'Ho de do'"?

You silly man! You still didn't explain WHY you think it's cheesy. See, I went through some of the possibilities and I can't see where you're coming from.

Was it the repetition of it until it transformed into Hodor? but brain concussions sometimes have the patient repeat phrases. Got a friend who had one. All the way to the hospital at regular intervals it was: "What's happening? Is it still snowing outside?" Lost memory of the whole day, but other than that everything was fine.

And it was not boring or obvious either. I mean by show of hands how many figured out the meaning of Hodor BEFORE the scene?! Not reading it online, eh? If you say it was boring I will not respond for myself spiderkill



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Torwy, I would say "hold the door" was the least interesting part of the scene. ( and believe me I loved it )

For me the implications that Bran can warg with people in the past brings wonderful paradoxical shenanigans into play.
Some people hate time travel stuff, I relish in it. And this instance was a great example of a closed loop. Hodor always said hodor, Bran's meddling fulfilled the prophecy by itself.

Did anyone notice that Bran was stuck in his travel vision? He did not require the tree to activate it yet he was unable to turn it off, great stuff and rocketed Bran's story to the front of the pack for me.



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It was dark but I thought I saw Bran pick up or put his hand on something on the ground, I thought it was one of the roots of the tree?

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TormundsWoman wrote:
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Well, except for Hodor meaning "Hold the door".

Yes, it's silly when you read about what it may mean without watching the scene. But what exactly is wrong with it?!?! You're just a contrarian meanie. That's right. I said it. CONTRARIAN MEANIE.

 I DECLARE A TRIAL BY COMBAT! saber

  you know he'll probably just say Whatevs just to get me to lose my cool. But I will be super strong. booty

I like puns and play on words. I really do. But this is one path Martin shouldn't have gone down because it is cheesily cringeworthy. Maybe he won't make it as blatant in the books. Who knows?

Anyway, another reason I didn't like it because it is uncomfortably similar to a racist joke: "What has six legs and says 'Ho de do'"?

And it was not boring or obvious either. I mean by show of hands how many figured out the meaning of Hodor BEFORE the scene?! not reading it online, eh? If you say it was boring I will not respond for myself spiderkill

I joked about Hodor=Hold the Door here in chat several weeks ago. When the Reddit spoiler leaked I was shocked to see my goofing around was true. So ... my hand is raised. I am not patting myself on the back too hard because there are plenty of folks out there who thought Hodor = Hold the Door a long time before that.

The was absolutely no subtlety about the Hodor reveal, viewers were beaten over the head with it. If the show didn't have Meera's voice leaking into past and Willas experiences his seizure without saying anything it gives the viewer some credit. As it is, the series being lauded for breaking tropes and being gritty/realistic is reduced to telling knock knock jokes.



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It was dark but I thought I saw Bran pick up or put his hand on something on the ground, I thought it was one of the roots of the tree?

 Not when they were speeding through the tunnel and escaping past the door into the night. He was still locked in his vision. Bran has gone wifi!! freakout



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@Atreyu: That is remarkable that so many people guessed it. I did a search out of curiosity restricted to 2001 to 2015 and I could count by the fingers of one hand the pages that have comments with the right meaning. Even the ones that did had Hodor as a Trag and his mother yelling at him to hold the door. Most of the ones that do show up have actually reroutes to this year GoT posts. But then again I'm not good at searching. I think you're bullshitting and you know it!
I feel defeated whatevs.

Don, I have a question about the time travel in this case: you say that Bran warged Past Hodor, right? But I saw him warg into present Hodor. And when we see Bran again in the next sequence in the past he looks at young Walder and the boy is not warged. First he was arranging something, then he looks at Bran and his eyes are not white. So he wasn't warged so to speak while the present counterpart was and running toward the door. 

This whole thing brings me to: is not possible that it was the knowledge BR was downloading into Bran/Hodor's brain that fried  present Hodor's brain all the way back to when he was 16? I mean was it really the time travel? Can it not be possible that even of Bran wasn't there this frying thing would still have happened? I mean it won't change anything for me, just a curiosity.



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I liked the episode. The end was gut wrenching. I was thinking that Bran fucked up big time, but then realized it was in fact the Children of the Forest that fucked up big time....at least with the current topics revealed. I won't elaborate on the "hold the door" discussion as I don't really care at all who predicted it or who thinks it's shit.



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I knew the Children of the Forest were bad news. 



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Hold the elevator

 Funny you should say that. A few years back, Martin was in an elevator with some random person who said "I'll bet Hodor is short for 'Hold the door" to which Martin replied, "You don;t know how close you are" like it was a joke. But it wasn't a joke.



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Hold muh beer while i ride muh truck drunk over that ramp!!!

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Hold muh beer while i ride the truck!!!!

 

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Hold muh beer wilthtruck!!!

 

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@Atreyu: That is remarkable that so many people guessed it. I did a search out of curiosity restricted to 2001 to 2015 and I could count by the fingers of one hand the pages that have comments with the right meaning. Even the ones that did had Hodor as a Trag and his mother yelling at him to hold the door. Most of the ones that do show up have actually reroutes to this year GoT posts. But then again I'm not good at searching. I think you're bullshitting and you know it!
I feel defeated whatevs.

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Posts like this have littered the internet for a decade: http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?/topic/26325-what-does-hodor-mean/&page=2#comment-1236249

Pretty sure there are a few at the Amazon forums too. Look, thousands of people have been speculating about ASOIAF for a decade. Countless posters have gotten something right just by the sheer number of shit flung. What I am trying to say is: buck up little camper. The Cubs will go on another winning streak before you know it.

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I need someone to explain what happened . I've watched twice now. . Did bran warg into hodor to get them out ? If so , how was he still in a vision . . And what happened to young hodor ? I just don't get it ? Why did 3 eyed crow take him to that vision when he knew time was up ? Surly he should have shown him something more important? Argh ! I'm usually good at this stuff . .

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Ok Yvy, I admit I am also curious because I also watched the scene several times. Here is an interesting take on it, it's a closed loop apparently and could only happen if the 3 Eyed Raven took him to that exact moment: www.thewrap.com/game-of-thrones-what-exactly-happened-with-hodor-and-that-time-loop/

However, I have a bit of a problem believing it because Don might be right. At a n-rewatch of that scene young Hodor does get warged. His eyes roll in his head, go white and falls to the ground. It's basically when he starts hearing Meera. So damn confusing.

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Posts like this have littered the internet for a decade: http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?/topic/26325-what-does-hodor-mean/&page=2#comment-1236249

Pretty sure there are a few at the Amazon forums too. Look, thousands of people have been speculating about ASOIAF for a decade. Countless posters have gotten something right just by the sheer number of shit flung. What I am trying to say is: buck up little camper. The Cubs will go on another winning streak before you know it.

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 I have seen that on my search. 2008. He was proposing Hodor was yelling for someone to hold the door Look, there are not that many who guessed it right. You make it sound like there were thousands. "countless posters" I feel like someone should stomp on your toe right now. I don't even know why I'm even typing this!



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I think there's a possibility Young Hodor did not get warged, YvyB. What happens to the eyes is the same when someone is warging/getting warged, and when someone is Greenseeing. Think back to Bran's and Jojen's eyes when they were having a vision, plus, Young Hodor's convulsions reminded me a lot of Jojen's when he was seeing.

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Posts like this have littered the internet for a decade: http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?/topic/26325-what-does-hodor-mean/&page=2#comment-1236249

Pretty sure there are a few at the Amazon forums too. Look, thousands of people have been speculating about ASOIAF for a decade. Countless posters have gotten something right just by the sheer number of shit flung. What I am trying to say is: buck up little camper. The Cubs will go on another winning streak before you know it.

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 I have seen that on my search. 2008. He was proposing Hodor was yelling for someone to hold the door Look, there are not that many who guessed it right. You make it sound like there were thousands. "countless posters"

 Have you counted all the posts? You can't. QED countless.

 

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So there seems to be some controversy ( in GOT? You don't say? niccage ) But folks are saying that Bran was willing Hodor to hold the door and that it was not Hodor making that decision. So Bran murdered Hodor to save himself.

Oh, and one thing. If they want the Riverrun armies they need to cross the Twins, with our good friend Walder Frey is waiting...I wonder how THAT will go.



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Oh, and one thing. If they want the Riverrun armies they need to cross the Twins, with our good friend Walder Frey is waiting...I wonder how THAT will go.

 Brienne's gonna take out the Twins single-handedly on the way there. 



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Just because some people guessed the meaning of the word Hodor doesn't lessen the impact IMO (then again an impact is subjective) because I haven't seen them guessing the context. Maybe one or two did? Don't have time to search but the point of the scene was not the pun, it was the fact that his whole life since that seizure focused on the moment of his death and the sacrifice he made/he was forced to make for his only friends. That is good storytelling to me, the kind that Gurm used to do before he completely lost it. No need to get biased just because he's so disgusting now.

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So one question...where are Yara and Theon sailing to?
They will not help the North since Theon has bad history with the Starks.
Will they help Dorne? Will they attack Old Town?
Or are they trying to get to Dany first and offer her their fleet? ( I like this one! )

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I think Theon could well be the inside man that could actually make Dany see the Starks could be her allies. He wants to make things right, and the Ironborn would also benefit if they could make peace with the North. I hope their not just vehicles for Dany to get to Westeros and that's it.

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Ok Yvy, I admit I am also curious because I also watched the scene several times. Here is an interesting take on it, it's a closed loop apparently and could only happen if the 3 Eyed Raven took him to that exact moment: www.thewrap.com/game-of-thrones-what-exactly-happened-with-hodor-and-that-time-loop/

However, I have a bit of a problem believing it because Don might be right. At a n-rewatch of that scene young Hodor does get warged. His eyes roll in his head, go white and falls to the ground. It's basically when he starts hearing Meera. So damn confusing.

 Thanks honey ,  I think I I've sorted it in my head now 😂 



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I need someone to explain what happened . I've watched twice now. . Did bran warg into hodor to get them out ? If so , how was he still in a vision . . And what happened to young hodor ? I just don't get it ? Why did 3 eyed crow take him to that vision when he knew time was up ? Surly he should have shown him something more important? Argh ! I'm usually good at this stuff . .

 Let me clear that up for you.

 

3ER had about 10 minutes to wrap up months worth of lessons that Bran will sadly miss. Bran already had that lingering feeling that he could affect the past, and no doubt that was also part of his training. But Bran also needed to learn one very important thing, to understand the very real limitatioms of his abilities. "The past is already written, the ink is dry." Bran can't change the past, time is a closed loop.

 

3EC chose a fairly traumatic way to teach Bran that lesson though, making him lose just about everything he had (except for Meera) and making him not only responsible for the deaths of everyone at the cave but also of Hodor's state of mind. My guess is 3EC himself gave changing the past a go and paid a horrible price, so he had to make the lesson very clear to Bran.

 

All that said and done, Bran may have already set in motion a chain of events in the past that ensure humanity's victory against the dead. That's my bet.

 

And it's my favorite episode of the season, even though the Kingsmoot sucked



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I think assuming Bran warged Hodor in the past and the present is too simplistic. Everyone involved was caught in a mystical vortex. I need to watch another time, but it seems to me that what happened was the result of an overload rather than something as simple as Bran willed Hodor to his death.

Hodor heard Meera and Meera was in no way doing anything special. If anything, Meera commanded Hodor to give up his life. But if the vortex was including all of them, then Hodor's consciousness was in two places at once just as Bran was. If BR was downloading everything into Bran at the same time, Hodor was experiencing the same thing, yet all he could truly understand was the order to 'hold the door.' So that phrase got mixed up with Hodor's/Bran's/Blood Raven's YUGE vision. Hodor had no preparation or explanation for what was happening. The overload short circuited his brain. He may have seen his death, but it would not have made sense to him. Hodor's consciousness was in two places at once, he experienced his death without understanding it, AND he learned the entire history of the world. It is a miracle he could say Hodor. An awful tragedy and losing Summer at the same time makes it unbearable. If I were Meera, I would be mumbling Hodor for the rest of my life.

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Yep, I think in a way Wylis died that day alongside his future self. All that remained was Hodor.

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Yep, I think in a way Wylis died that day alongside his future self. All that remained was Hodor.

 Yes, he probably only understood a tiny fraction: that he and Bran were inextricably connected without much clarity. If his cognition was messed up, his heart wasn't: he knew how to love/care and that is what he relied on.



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Ummm so how will they mobilize the Riverrun armies past the twins?

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Ummm so how will they mobilize the Riverrun armies past the twins?

 There was another way around. it just takes a lot longer.

 



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I think Littlefinger will sack Moat Cailin from the inside (poetic justice considering how Ramsay took it). He has the leverage of being on Ramsay's good side.

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Ummm so how will they mobilize the Riverrun armies past the twins?

 You think Blackfish will send the army North? I mean maybe a contingent or something, but the Tullys are kind of between the Lannisters and the Freys armies geographically themselves, I doubt they'll leave the House Seat and the lands undefended.



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Ummm so how will they mobilize the Riverrun armies past the twins?




They won't. It was a bad idea, I doubt there is enough time this season for the Tully army to sort out business in the Riverlands considering they have to deal with both Freys and Lannisters.
By the looks of it, Sansa will have to reconsider LF's offer (or LF will come on his own anyway) and if anything, it is the northern army and the Vale that will probably come down to help out the Tullys.

-- Edited by Macha on Wednesday 25th of May 2016 12:30:01 AM

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