Strictly book-speaking, maybe both horns are dragon related. If Gurm cooks up an Ice Dragon like there was some speculation at some point, perhaps the Horn of winter is intended to wake it up/control it/whatevs.
As for the show, reaaaally doubt they'll use any of the horns.
GRRM was in such a rush to have Jon stabbed that he had his timeline completely messed up. It's quite clear the letter was originally meant to turn up in Winds of Winter at some point. I don't buy any of the theories that someone else wrote it, especially given that Ramsay calls himself "Lord of Winterfell", indicating Roose is dead just like in the show. The part about Stannis being dead is probably? not true just yet, but I'm not sure.
Nym, I'm almost certain the Horn has never been shown or mentioned.
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I wouldn't say GRRM fucked up Jon's timing with the Pink Letter, but he did fuck up the timing of just about everything else in the book. So that's where the problem was. Instead of showing us the big Stannis vs Bolton battle we had to hear about it in a letter.
GRRM was in such a rush to have Jon stabbed that he had his timeline completely messed up. It's quite clear the letter was originally meant to turn up in Winds of Winter at some point. I don't buy any of the theories that someone else wrote it, especially given that Ramsay calls himself "Lord of Winterfell", indicating Roose is dead just like in the show. The part about Stannis being dead is probably? not true just yet, but I'm not sure.
Nym, I'm almost certain the Horn has never been shown or mentioned.
You could well be right it hasn't been shown since it was found at the Fist, but in my mind I see it in the cloak somewhere indoors, which is why I think it's been shown, again. Even though I know I could be imagining things, or it's just wishful thinking on my part, I'm still going to hold on to my thought we've seen it since it Season 2...hahaha.
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Here's to hoping Robin throws him out the moon door (LF), and falls behind him. With regard to the : "Anyone, damn am I excited for that Bran scene. Origin of the White Walkers, maybe? Looks like their fortress of solitude", I'm thinking that the Children of the Forest have something to do with the origins of the Walkers or mayhaps even created them somehow, or know their King. Grasping there, but hey, who knows at this point.
The Children of the Forest were playing with blood magic too We had a contradiction way back with Macha and right after that I found a quote (I just looked for it now but couldn't find) in the World of Ice and Fire where it's clear they do stuff like that.
I think they are not the good guys I've hoped for and I expect bad experiments from them that result in" the Others" are not that much out there Ly.
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I'm thinking the WW's used to be CotF, but there was some kind of split, although I'm not sure what would have caused it.
Someone over on WotW point out something I found very interesting: all the CotF appear to be female, while all the WW's appear to be male.
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Someone over on WotW point out something I found very interesting: all the CotF appear to be female, while all the WW's appear to be male.
Holy crap! Mind blown!
IKR! Hey, the split could have been caused by something as simple as the girls just got sick of the boys...hahaha. Seriously though, I could see a split being due to different ideas of how to approach the challenges of their changing world.
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This is a nice catch, also in line with Craster sacrificing his sons and not daughters.
I think in one of the lore videos on the DVD there is a sketch of the Children that appears to have men in it too, and there is that legend of the Night's King as being a human that fell for a woman that resembled a female version of the WW. Perhaps this gender separation inside each race came along the way. Interesting, but the males would then have found a way to reproduce while the females didn't, and that's why the Children have almost vanished.
Ok...this season is totally crazy. But lets think about this.
Bran and Meera are totally alone...or are they? What if COLDHANDS shows up to help and he is also Benjen???
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He is definitely showing up, no other way, but if they bring him back and killing him an episode after I'm gonna have to eat every fucking chicken in this room.
Where the hell has he been to just conveniently show up when Bran and Meera have no one left to help them? Grrrrr this is the only thing I want to know from the books, screw the rest.
Ok...this season is totally crazy. But lets think about this. Bran and Meera are totally alone...or are they? What if COLDHANDS shows up to help and he is also Benjen???
Make it so, Number One
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He is definitely showing up, no other way, but if they bring him back and killing him an episode after I'm gonna have to eat every fucking chicken in this room.
Yeah I agree, they better have a good explanation for that.
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Just got this from Hibbard over at EW and it makes some sense and gives me some solace:
As for Summer … there’s a theory out there that all the direwolf names are prophetic. I never put much stock in that, but it’s edging closer to being convincing. Summer was killed by the demons of winter (winter is coming, and so goes Summer). Jon was brought back to life (he’s like a Ghost). Sansa had Lady, who was killed by the Lannisters (the theory, which is reaching now, speculates the Lannisters likewise “killed” Sansa’s gentle lady-like side). I’m not sure how this all applies to Shaggydog (except that Rickon, with his wild mane of mussed hair, looks shaggy himself). And how Arya’s long-lost Nymeria comes into play is anybody’s guess. The reason I bring all this up, aside from being fun speculation, is that with a theory like this there’s a unifying master plan behind each direwolf demise that – like Hodor – will make sense in retrospect.
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Rhaegar, despite wounding Robert, was struck down with a massive blow from Robert's warhammer, which scattered the rubies encrusted in Rhaegar's armor under the water. Rhaegar died with Lyanna Stark's name on his lips.
I can kind of see what Hibberd is saying. But I think it's more likely that the show was never really interested in the Direwolves. In the early seasons that was mostly because of the CGI budget, and I think because they weren't important then they essentially decided to sideline them. I bet we never see Nymeria again.
Benjen though...high chances of that! Be nice if he wasn't recast.
Kingsmoot was extremely tone downed and shortened, as I expected. Since I've never been into that whole plot I was rather relieved. Though I do think Euron is pretty meh in the show, even if he's just a generic crazy pirate in the books.
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Why would anyone think Benjen comes to help? Do we think he's still alive? Maybe the show will put Coldhands in after all and make it Benjen though.
I liked the Ironborn chapters in the books, and I wouldn't mind the Queensmoot here either especially Theon supporting Yara which gave Alfie another chance to show his acting chops. But boy, when it came to Euron that script felt like a reading summary by a fan. "Then he said: it is I who will build the largest fleet the world has ever seen!", never mind the "let's build that fleet and kill them". Funny thing: I thought it would have been HILARIOUS if they departed from the books and Euron never waking up after being drowned I said as much at the time.
Benjen is definitely alive, I think that's why they keep showing him as a little boy, and there was also that "your uncle benjen has returned" in last season's finale. As for Coldhands, meh. I don't see why introduce him or a version of him at this point.
I'm just glad they didn't have the Dragonhorn in the show. It seemed like such a bullshit plot device in the books. "Hey, we know the dragons are hard to tame so far, so here's some random guy who found a magic horn to deal with that". Unless of course it's a fake, which makes it pointless as well.
Euron dying right then and there would be the funniest moment in the show, ever.
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Benjen is definitely alive, I think that's why they keep showing him as a little boy, and there was also that "your uncle benjen has returned" in last season's finale. As for Coldhands, meh. I don't see why introduce him or a version of him at this point.
Benjen just shows up and goes...I have been tracking you Bran...and boy my hands are cold!
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Holy shit, will people even remember him? He has been gone since season 1!
Ha! Good point. Dude was in three episodes, and not exactly a highlight. Thank god for previously on...
I think show-only folks will remember Benjen, if for no other reason, because they've been name-dropping him left and right since last season's season finale.
As far as the Kingsmoot, well, while it wasn't the greatest scene, I'm sure glad they kept it as relatively short as they did. I was intrigued by the concept of the Kingsmoot in the books (even though I didn't like the Iron Islands), and then I got to it, and it seemed to go on forever, to the point I just wanted it over with so I could move on to another part of the story.
I loved, and I mean LOVED the theatre scene. I thought they wrote the "play within a play" so well.
Thanks for the info. on the direwolves, Macha...interesting idea, and some of it makes sense.
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Okay so now bran can Warg into people during his visions, what if he wargs into Ned and the reason why Ned breaks his honor and agrees to keep Lyanna's secret from Bobby is because of Bran's medling?
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It is not gonna be Benjen. They are gonna meet Doc Brown.
GREAT SCOTT! This is heavy.
Doc : "Branny, it is important that you stay out of your dreams. We can not risk you running into your younger self. It could have catastrophic results.
Branny: "Yeah, um, Doc. About that, I uh...."
Doc: "What is it Branny....you didn't bump into your younger self? Did you?"
Branny: "Well , uh Doc, I ah, kinda warged into Jaime Lannister to bang my sister and, I uh, kinda pushed myself out a window".
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Nick Snow there is the best thing about this show Peep
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Hey I was wondering, did Ned ever tell "anyone* about R+L=J ?
I wonder if Benjen knows? And if Benjen appears next week, and Bran talks about his vision? Hmmm
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In Season 1 when they all depart Winterfell there is a brief scene with Ned and Jon where Ned tells him that the next time they meet they'll talk more about Jon's mother, and then the camera pans to Benjen looking at the two of them with what I'd say is a knowing look. I think he definitely knows, and could explain why he always had a good relationship with Jon.
Seeing how fast the show is plowing through Bran's arc kinda makes me excited for a potential Stark reunion part 2 in the finale. Sansa, Bran, Jon and hopefully Rickon (don't die!). Then only Arya will be missing... one can hope.
Seeing how fast the show is plowing through Bran's arc kinda makes me excited for a potential Stark reunion part 2 in the finale. Sansa, Bran, Jon and hopefully Rickon (don't die!). Then only Arya will be missing... one can hope.
Who knows. The show might treat us to a sweet Stark reunion at the reclaimed winterfell and then the Wall collapses as the army of the dead descends upon them. Game Of Thrones!
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Hey I was wondering, did Ned ever tell "anyone* about R+L=J ? I wonder if Benjen knows? And if Benjen appears next week, and Bran talks about his vision? Hmmm
Howland Reed knows, mayhaps Meera.
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Rhaegar, despite wounding Robert, was struck down with a massive blow from Robert's warhammer, which scattered the rubies encrusted in Rhaegar's armor under the water. Rhaegar died with Lyanna Stark's name on his lips.
I think Bran built the Wall.
Bran= Bran the Builder, and probably a bunch of Brandons from Stark history.
Bran has already affected the past (though he might not know it yet) and made the First Men build the wall by warging into their leader.
Bran essentially prepares the world for the White Walkers.
Hmm, so the way Bran can "warg" into the past is implant ideas in people minds. He accidentally implanted "hold the door", so he can implant "build the wall" in Donald Trump...I mean. Bran the builder.
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I've been thinking, if the person many of us think (or hope beyond hope) is Benjen ends up not being Benjen, who could it be? Sure, there's Coldhands, but I mean other than that (and while I wanted to see Coldhands a few seasons ago, I'm not as into the idea, now...although part of that is because I want it to be Benjen). If it is Benjen, I like to think this is what he's been doing: in essence, recon. What if he kinda got stuck in a place it would not be safe for him to leave, but he spent his waking hours warged into something gathering "information." His Stark heritage makes it such that it isn't out of the realm of possibility he is able to warg, and that would at least help explain why he never returned. Yes, I realize there are all sorts of holes in that idea, but it's just a thought, not something I've taken time to look at from a variety of angles.
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We had a contradiction way back with Macha and right after that I found a quote (I just looked for it now but couldn't find) in the World of Ice and Fire where it's clear they do stuff like that.
I said as much at the time.
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