Ok, so last week I thought we're going to have a bunch of deaths Beyond the Wall and I was super wrong! which is quite normal for me. This week I'm predicting that someone at Winterfell dies of Valyrian dagger and the Hound will finally fight his brother when he takes the wight to Cersei! These seem just as reasonable as the group death to be honest
The Hype has gone through the roof. There's so much expectation on this, it's getting me excited At least it will balance all the sex Jon and Dany are probably going to have (Better not think about it and skip those scenes. I'm sure there's a bottle of wine that will need opening or something!)
1. At the armistice meeting, I have a feeling things will go bad and people will die. ( whoo!) 2. I hope Sansa/Arya conclude their terrible plot in a satisfying manner ( I dunno, got a bad feeling). 3. I hope Theon manages to save Yara by himself without help. 4. I hope Bran gets to use some powers, maybe a flashback? 5. Will Jaime grow some balls??
6. Will the Night King attack the Wall with his shiny new dragon??
oh and one more little thing....
GET HYPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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I say armistice goes well, but Cersei poisons a couple of people without them realising and plans to betray the truce as soon as possible. I'm gonna say....Davos dies. Littlefinger too obviously. I say Tormund is a goner since he's at Eastwatch. Though now I think about it, maybe he'll be at the Dragonpit representing the Wildlings? Though we do need a named character to witness the fall of the Wall I think. Maybe Beric or Edd.
But I'm expecting a generally subdued finale after all the fireworks. For starters, if Cersei tried anything, basically every character in the show would have to die. It would be a massacre and I can't see it. Cersei being the final human villain for Season 8 just makes sense to me.
-- Edited by Cosca on Friday 25th of August 2017 04:05:06 PM
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Someone hasn't paid attention to the last ep! The wildlings didn't receive no supersonic Raven and Berric &a Tormund said good bye to their sweetheart! though clearly neither Beric or the Hound can die now since Dondarrion just told him all prophetically that they'll see each other again I think we have a showdown for sure Sandor vs SOMEONE. I'm not telling who. Besides we all know Cersei lays traps. The fact Dany's not in those preview makes me think the #DragonstoneRebornTeam has something up their sleeve too
I correct the best, Cosca! You should feel honored. Look, I'm going to do it again Tormund is magical. No silly little Army of the Dead will take my man down until the last season. Take it to the bank!
(Maybe you have forgotten all the times I as right and you were wrong and needed a reminder :x )
Brienne is going South to answer the call for Sansa, I hope Tormund is there and she finds out Jaime has knocked up his sister again. I think it'll break her heart but Tormund will be there to comfort here . Just my hope. Still think from
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the House of the Undying the Ice Dragon will destroy it.
. That may not happen until next season, though. Asha/Yara and Uncle Euron is the puzzle for me, not sure where that will go/end. Need to cover Gendry's hamma with dragon glass. Interested to see where Gilly and Sam go and what of Bran.
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Sorry about no Cleganebowl guys . Of course Cersei was not going to keep her word, what was Jaime thinking? Duh! Come on, Jaime. He's smarter in the books, ugh. I really thought she was going to have Frankengregor kill him, I really did. Totally surprised that he lived. Loved Arya once again, so glad that is no more. Love how Sansa seemed to "sentence" him. The Rhaegar actor could have been Viserys, jeez. Glad they didn't show much of him. All those folks at the Con said his name was Jaehaerys Targaryen, there were only me and 2 others that said Aegon or Aemon. Ha, ha! Told ya so. Excuse me while I break my arm patty myself on my back . Loved the episode
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Rhaegar, despite wounding Robert, was struck down with a massive blow from Robert's warhammer, which scattered the rubies encrusted in Rhaegar's armor under the water. Rhaegar died with Lyanna Stark's name on his lips.
I have to say I really loved the episode. There were a lot of good things in it. But one thing I hated:
Sam> Oh Bran, why don't you do that thing you do to see if maybe they got married.
Bran> Good idea Sam, I'll just go visit their wedding right now.
Bran> Oh, it looks like they really got married.
Sam> So that means
Bran> Jon is really a Targaryen.... and not just anyone... here, let me go get a closeup of a scene I've already visited.
Sam> *thinks 'what's up with his eyes'
Bran> Edgar. His name is Edgar. I must tell him as soon as he returns.
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Meh (?) maybe. I don't know. I am invested in this story. I was invested in these characters so I am enjoying some parts. However if I'm being honest with myself this story for me makes for a poor screen adaptation.
Enjoyed Sansa being a learner. I had a strong feeling that Ayra and her were in cahoots. Did I really think Arya will kill her or the other way around: no. Maybe this season tension wasn't properly built for me. I hope it was for others because I didn't feel the surprise at the end. This wasn't no Joff decides to behead Ned anyway while we all knew he simply HAS to forgive him because everything about that set up said he should.
On the other side: yes, I was extremely close to seeing Cersei kill at LEAST one of the bros When it didn't happen with Tyrion I was half relieved and thought well... that's certainly surprising, but then when situation repeats itself and Cersei watches Jaime with crazy eyes after throwing him evil eyes for Bri all ep I positively thought this is IT and it won't be Jaime that kills her but the reverse! It was crazy. Enjoyed just about everything in KL to be honest because Lena, NWC and Dinklage were truly good when they play off each other.
Also: Jon / Theon: what are you standing here talking to me for? priceless. Now we know why Theon had to be dickless I know, too cruel.
I skip the Sam who has NOT transcribed shit from High Septon Maynard's diary. Because really, he didn't. Liar. But it is plain bad to see how fast he and Bran got down to it. I mean some weird dialog.
Also: I know what they were trying to do with that boat. But somehow, knowing how close to Eastwatch the NK is with his army, and they are taking the boat(?) makes me UGH! :riot: Poor Jorah, for once right and this is what we get: Tormund's life in danger because Jon needs to have sex with his aunt. Yes, we all know THAT is really why they took 2 days to travel. Did Bran saw that, I wonder because come on! He said: we must tell him at once like 3 times or something.
Thought the Wall coming down was pretty cool actually. But since I didn't get enough prosecco to wash away some scene I want to forget, I was not so hyped. I did appreciate that Sansa & Arya scene My God! That was balm for the soul.
What I think: The wall will come down differently in the books. I watched the Inside the ep last night. I have the feeling the way they were talking about it that this Viserion thing was something they cooked up because they had a dragon dead so why not use it (my words not Benioff and Weiss' s but that's what I felt they said)
Also: Jon / Theon: what are you standing here talking to me for? priceless. Now we know why Theon had to be dickless I know, too cruel. - I loved that, too! And the fact that a does not phase him .
Thought the Wall coming down was pretty cool actually. But since I didn't get enough prosecco to wash away some scene I want to forget, I was not so hyped. - I have a theory on that with
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, but I haven't done enough putting it together yet.
What I think: The wall will come down differently in the books. I watched the Inside the ep last night. I have the feeling the way they were talking about it that this Viserion thing was something they cooked up because they had a dragon dead so why not use it (my words not Benioff and Weiss' s but that's what I felt they said) - agreed as well. It was talked about a lot at the Con that one of the dragons would fall into the hands of the undead. I was ready for that.
GRRM is so big about saying he is not writing a different story but I disagree. I think his next two books will be pretty darn different than what D&D have given us. I was real pissy about that for a long time but now, I welcome it.
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Rhaegar, despite wounding Robert, was struck down with a massive blow from Robert's warhammer, which scattered the rubies encrusted in Rhaegar's armor under the water. Rhaegar died with Lyanna Stark's name on his lips.
Some inevitable differences aside, I don't think GRRM's version will be *that* different. And if it is, it'll be mostly because he gave D&D a queso-stained napkin with the big moments written on it, but no roadmap.
I mean, he basically admitted in a TIME interview that he doesn't know how he'll solve certain stuff, and D&D are filling in the blanks.
Regardless, I think the Jonerys thing is absolutely happening in the pooks. Same with Jon being named 'Aegon' because George has an obsession with that damn name. There are dozens of Aegons in pook canon. It's the Targaryen equivalent of "John" or "Bob".
But it's really nothing that should keep peeps awake at night. The pook will never come out. And even if it does, Dream of Spring has a snowball's chance in hell.
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gross. Can we please stop and not say that Jon banged his father's sister?!?? Ugh. Let's just say Dany & Jon. And if people here want to ship it and really like it Joeneris I guess And I don't believe it for a moment Rhaegar named BOTH his sons Aegon. Good lord. Not unless Lyanna found out that his OTHER son Aegon died. Is it possible?! I mean she was at TOj and Rhaegar was already dead. I need to see again the timeline of Bobby's rebellion. Morgoth is wrong though. Martin said that Winds is close and he's got like 15 yrs more in him so Dream is coming too.
Benioff and Weiss claim to have sworn off reading commentary about the show, good or bad. When I visit them in Los Angeles in March, they’re writing the next and final season. I peek into a fridge in a lounge area in their offices, a room dominated by a Thrones-branded pinball machine Weiss proudly points out, to find three cases of beer with Westeros-themed labels, low-calorie ranch dressing and yellow mustard. At this point, they have full outlines of the final six episodes. In fact, they’ve been working on the very last episode, possibly the most anticipated finale since Hawkeye left Korea. “We know what happens in each scene,” says Weiss.
The fact that they know is remarkable considering the show will reach its conclusion long before the books. The last new Thrones novel came out in 2011, the year the show began. The author describes his next installment, the sixth of seven, as “massively late.” “The journey is an adventure,” says Martin, who, at 68, has fought criticism that he won’t finish the books. “There’s always that process of discovery for me.” But with young, and rapidly maturing, actors under contract and a community of artisans awaiting marching orders in Belfast, the show can’t wait.
Benioff and Weiss always knew this would happen. So they met with the novelist in 2013, between Seasons 2 and 3, to sketch out what Martin calls “the ultimate developments” after the books and show diverge. The upshot, they say, is that the two can coexist. “Certain things that we learned from George way back then are going to happen on the show, but certain things won’t,” says Benioff. “And there’s certain things where George didn’t know what was going to happen, so we’re going to find them out for the first time too.”
EXACTLY. Thank you!!! Martin himself didn't know half the stuff to get to the end! Which means Benioff and Weiss probably got their own version of #WallDown or #JahaerisTargaryen totally my point. You can now sit there in your wrongness Dark Lord and think how wrong you are!
I just finished my rewatch. My assessment hasn't changed much. I was kind of underwhelmed, but it was just a few things that really bothered me. Up until the Theon fight, it's a great episode.
What I didn't like:
Dany lamenting the travesty her family committed by locking up the dragons after she did the same thing.
Sam's amazing memory about that diary after not paying attention to what it said. And Bran knowing everything and nothing all at once.
The fight choreography between Theon and the iron born. I hate fights that are one-sided with the miraculous comeback win. This isn't Rocky, people. Ugh. And the "Yara" from the iron born was just lame.
Sansa forgetting to mention the little detail about LF framing her for murder.
Tyrion as the new Why is he hanging out in the hallway? He doesn't even have his hand down his pants, which makes it twice as creepy.
Tormund and Beric - should be dead, but you know they aren't. That's three times this season they've pulled this crap. It bugs.
The stereotypical horror movie soundtrack when the wights start streaming from the forest.
What I loved:
That moment when winter arrived in KL. I know they love the big visual, but they should have ended the episode with that.
Acting by all three Lannisters was superb.
Sam acting like he had any idea what Bran was saying. I love him.
The tension while everyone was waiting for Cersei to show up. I heard Admiral Akbar yelling in my head.
Ice dragon FTW.
Reunions. So many fabulous moments where faces and tone of voice speak louder than words.
Ohhh. Kudos, BaS! This is what I like about Flea Bottom, and IWC. Actual, thoughtful discussion, unlike the screeching from social networks. "Durrrr fanfiction." -Good catch with the Dany thing. I didn't make the connection...I just thought it was sort of a filler conversation. Which it was. But yeah, pot calling the kettle black. -I assume Sam talked with Gilly on their way to Winterfell, otherwise yeah, it's weird. It was played as some kind of 'gotcha' moment for Bran. Although I liked the scene, Viserys hairdo and all, Bran did end up looking somewhat stupid. He was going to tell Jon he was actually a Sand. Hey, you're still a bastard but from a different pops! -It would be the second time for Tormund, no? Other than him being dragged by the wights...which was the other death fakeout? I'm not even sure if this one counts, since we saw them [him and Beric] escaping. Yeah, they *should* be dead after the whole place was destroyed, but then again, Sam was surrounded by wights and Walkers in the S2 finale. -Despite I accidentally spoiled the whole season for myself, I didn't know about the Theon fight and I actually didn't think he would win. I thought he would just get his ass kicked, and go to rescue Yara on his own. His literal lack of balls being an advantage was really amusing for me, especially considering the opening conversation between Jaime and Bronn. Agree the 'Yara' was kinda lame. -Tyrion did look like he was creeping, but allegedly he was worried about the problems the relationship will bring. According to the BTS videos anyway. -That's just the same ol White Walker theme with an added chorus. Which doesn't invalidate your point or anything, but that's the music the Walkers use to roll.
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I did my rewatch and still felt that this was a weak episode, probably 2nd shittiest of the season. And like BaS said, once the group started to leave KL, it got worse. Head and Dink have such an amazing dynamic. The look of disgust on her face throughout their scene and yet still plays Tyrion like a fiddle was extraordinary. Speaking of which, using Tyrion's sudden dimwittedness as a plot mover is one of the tragedies of this season. Not sure if its part of Tyrion's arc, to suddenly have this many flaws in judgment, but its bothersome. I get it, Cersei loves her children, but come on, she decimated half a city to kill 2 people she despised.
Loved the little scenes of quick dialogue, Hound/Gregor and w Brienne, Pod and Tyrion and Tyrion and Bronn. Sam was great, but that montage didnt work for me. I guess Tyrion is out there concerned on any changes in attitude w Dany now that she has had the Snow dick. They telegraphed how Jonerys will not end happy so I guess they just need to keep feeding us that.
Theon and Jon was probably my 2nd fav scene. But, yeah, that fight was retarded. The Iron Born suck.
I did love drunk Uncle Euron at the BBQ. Then he is like, can yhe swim, no? See yas lol.
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If Bran didn't know that Jon was legitimate, was it really that important to tell him that he's a Sand? Other than the fact that he's falling for his aunt, which is kind of irrelevant with an undead army bearing down on them. The whole scene wasn't very well thought out.
What I dont get is that Bran was there when she told Ned last season, so why did he not know his name was Aegon until Sam said he isnt a Sand? And why did Rhaegar have two sons named Aegon? Fucking weirdos.
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If Bran didn't know Jon was legitimate, why on earth was he telling Sam all this?! Why wasn't he talking with his two sisters? Isn't family more important? I am starting to think Bran was using Sam and manipulated him with that speech to make him jog his memory about the Raggar anullment. Because he realized he needs another source than his visions to make the Jon heir to the IT claim. That's a pretty huge thing to claim and knew Dany and the realm may be skeptical of his visions. More so because they support a Stark in the IT.
See how I justified weird ass writing?! jeez, I wish they'd had written it all better instead of me coming up with possible scenarios to justify this.
I'm very much with Rygar on Tyrion. He was laughable with one hair-brained idea after another all season long. And it's a symptom of a larger problem that has emerged as the show has surpassed the books. D&D know what the end points for the story arcs need to be, but they aren't willing to work out how to get there in a way that's consistent with the experiences, evolution and fundamental character traits of key characters like Jaime, Jon, Dany and Sansa. The lapses are a disservice to a group of highly nuanced characters. I know that GRRM is having the same problems getting from point A to point B. Otherwise he would have finished the books by now. But it kind of unmasks D&D's lazy writing. They wrote so many brilliant interactions between characters, but missed the mark when it came to the big picture. For me, it was the biggest flaw of season 7.
Oh man, I wanna be a fly on the wall when D&D had their meetings with GRRM to hash the plotlines for the rest of the show.
GRRM:"Ok the Night King kills and then turns one of the dragons."
D&D:"Awesome, how does that happen?"
GRRM:*Shrugs* "I dunno."
GRRM:"Arya and Sansa trick and then kill Littlefinger."
D&D:"Sweet, what do they do?"
GRRM:"HellifIknow."
D&D:"Goddammit"
Kidding aside, when the show was still adapting the books GRRM brough a certain "flavor" with his written word. At his best, he brought a certain nuance and cleverness that the early seasons flourished in.
Now D&D,the other writers and the actors have been with these characters for years, and most of the time they approximate that GRRM style, and sometimes they nail it...but a lot less than before.
Ironic, the show now has the budget and audience to do whatever it pleases, but that subtle touch is notably gone. I am very invested in the show at this point and am enjoy it regardless.
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At least it will balance all the sex Jon and Dany are probably going to have 
(Better not think about it and skip those scenes. I'm sure there's a bottle of wine that will need opening or something!)
I think we have a showdown for sure Sandor vs SOMEONE. I'm not telling who. Besides we all know Cersei lays traps. The fact Dany's not in those preview makes me think the #DragonstoneRebornTeam has something up their sleeve too 
. Just my hope. Still think from 
. Of course Cersei was not going to keep her word, what was Jaime thinking? Duh! Come on, Jaime. He's smarter in the books, ugh. I really thought she was going to have Frankengregor kill him, I really did. Totally surprised that he lived. Loved Arya once again, so glad that 
is no more. Love how Sansa seemed to "sentence" him. The Rhaegar actor could have been Viserys, jeez. Glad they didn't show much of him. All those folks at the Con said his name was Jaehaerys Targaryen, there were only me and 2 others that said Aegon or Aemon. Ha, ha! Told ya so. Excuse me while I break my arm patty myself on my back 
. Loved the episode 
butt though. Don't get greedy. 
It was crazy. Enjoyed just about everything in KL to be honest because Lena, NWC and Dinklage were truly good when they play off each other. 
I thought that's cool.
does not phase him 
gross. Can we please stop and not say that Jon banged his father's sister?!?? Ugh. Let's just say Dany & Jon. And if people here want to ship it and really like it Joeneris I guess And I don't believe it for a moment Rhaegar named BOTH his sons Aegon. Good lord. Not unless Lyanna found out that his OTHER son Aegon died. Is it possible?! I mean she was at TOj and Rhaegar was already dead. I need to see again the timeline of Bobby's rebellion. Morgoth is wrong though. Martin said that Winds is close and he's got like 15 yrs more in him so Dream is coming too.
But you know what? They keep saying broadstrokes. 
Those ARE broadstrokes.